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  • Loki's Avatar
    Today, 12:34 AM
    Loki replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    Ranked voting for the Commons is not the same as a ranked choice referendum. Now we're extending referenda results to areas to which they were not...
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Today, 12:29 AM
    You don't like the idea of honouring our past referendums do you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum
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  • Loki's Avatar
    Today, 12:24 AM
    Loki replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    There's very inconsistent evidence. Regardless, who cares? May is clearly too incompetent to get through the Brexit process. Corbyn is a pile of...
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Today, 12:23 AM
    True. Although Remain did outspend Leave by nearly 2:1 last time.
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  • Steely Glint's Avatar
    Today, 12:21 AM
    True, but I like to think Remain would actually try this time around, if there were a second referendum campaign. Also, it's going to be a lot...
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Today, 12:20 AM
    I love the fact that alcohol is forbidden in the chamber except during the budget. The Chancellor of the Exchequer is permitted to drink while giving...
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  • Steely Glint's Avatar
    Today, 12:19 AM
    You're also not allowed to call an MP drunk and, well...
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Today, 12:19 AM
    When you exclude Don't Knows, Remain got 55% of the vote in the vast majority of pre-referendum polls too.
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Today, 12:18 AM
    I'm not referring to political scientists, I'm referring to generic use of the word. The etymology of democracy is 'the people' 'rule' and we are a...
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  • Steely Glint's Avatar
    Today, 12:11 AM
    But there's still no majority for a second vote.
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  • Steely Glint's Avatar
    Today, 12:08 AM
    He muttered to himself in a darkened room, meanwhile we see Big Ben collapsing in flames outside the window.
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  • Hazir's Avatar
    Today, 12:08 AM
    Hazir replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    But is it acceptable to the Brits? It almost seems like a craftily stealthy insult.
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  • Loki's Avatar
    Today, 12:02 AM
    Loki replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    Look, here are the actual definitions of democracy most political scientists subscribe to (I'm not counting definitions that require things like...
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:56 PM
    Nothing has changed.
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  • Loki's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:53 PM
    Loki replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:44 PM
    If the situation changes then that falls under "good reason" that I mentioned, but the situation hasn't changed here. Lying about what you will do if...
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  • Steely Glint's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:42 PM
    This "no take backsies" stuff leavers indulge in is, frankly, stupid and a clear sign many of them are not operating in good faith when they talk...
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  • Loki's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:41 PM
    Loki replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    No, it's not. You saying otherwise doesn't make it so. Politics frequently entails making promises you can't keep. Or the situation changes. Even...
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:39 PM
    Going against the principles you were elected on is undemocratic. The democratic principle is that MPs will seek to respect what they were elected to...
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:38 PM
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election Tories, Labout and DUP all pledged to respect the referendum result and won...
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  • Loki's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:34 PM
    Loki replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    "EU agrees Brexit delay until 22 May if MPs approve withdrawal deal next week, or 12 April if they do not."
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  • Hazir's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:33 PM
    Hazir replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    Does anyone know if we have an agreement on extending the article 50 procedure?
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  • Loki's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:33 PM
    Loki replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    No, it's not. Bad politics != undemocratic.
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:31 PM
    Who said it does? Not me. A party that gets elected on a manifesto then renegs on it without very good reason is undemocratic though and deserves...
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  • Khendraja'aro's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:28 PM
    I need to see the source for that 80%. And then I also need to see the percentage of votes they actually got. Because, you know, you guys have this...
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  • Khendraja'aro's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:26 PM
    I'm not sure why you're insisting then that there's something as stupid as a "moral duty" to do this shit. It has been almost three fucking years...
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  • Loki's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:22 PM
    Loki replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    Which is utterly meaningless as far as democracy goes. A country does not become undemocratic just because its politicians are unable to implement...
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:20 PM
    When did I say its not allowed to be done?
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  • RandBlade's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:20 PM
    Yes I am tell you that both the Tories and the DUP which combined won a majority both promised to Leave. Indeed not only did they both do so, but...
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  • Loki's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:19 PM
    Loki replied to a thread Brexit Begins in Debate & Discussion
    Then stop giving BS reasons for a BS position. Parliament has the full right to hold as many referenda as it wants on the same topic. Parliament has...
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