Terrorism Strikes Again

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10-17-2020, 07:54 PM
Lewkowski

Terrorism Strikes Again

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54579403

"French President Emmanuel Macron has called the beheading of a teacher in a north-western suburb of Paris an "Islamist terrorist attack".

The victim is said to have shown controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad to his pupils. The attacker was shot dead by police.

Mr Macron said the as yet unnamed teacher was murdered because he "taught freedom of expression".

"They won't win... We will act," the president said from the scene.

The attack occurred at about 17:00 local time (15:00 GMT) near a school. Anti-terror prosecutors are investigating.

The knife-wielding attacker was shot as officers tried to arrest him in the aftermath of the attack. Police have not released any personal details about him, although French media report he was an 18-year-old man of Chechen origin who was born in Moscow.

A trial is currently under way in Paris over a 2015 Islamist assault on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, which was targeted for publishing the cartoons.

Three weeks ago, a man attacked and wounded two people outside the magazine's former offices.

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Another tragic death. As sad as it is I can't help but think of Joe Rogan's comedic take of what happened in Texas...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk04H1ZPeWQ

More of this needs to take place. Not just form private individuals but from government agents, who should do their best to infiltrate fundamentalist communities and work to egg them on and then arrest them once they take the first illegal step. Any immigrant coming over should be forced to sign a statement stating that the use of violence against those who commit blasphemy against their religion is not acceptable.
10-17-2020, 08:45 PM
Loki

Can we require a similar statement about pledging to follow the law, even law passed by the other party, of anyone seeking to buy a gun?
10-17-2020, 10:42 PM
Lewkowski

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Originally Posted by Loki

Can we require a similar statement about pledging to follow the law, even law passed by the other party, of anyone seeking to buy a gun?

Nice try but the right to guns is equivalent to the right to practice your faith, the right to vote and the right to peacefully assemble. A government banning guns is no different than a government doing away with elections or banning a religion.
10-17-2020, 11:31 PM
RandBlade

RIP :(
10-17-2020, 11:36 PM
Aimless

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Nice try but the right to guns is equivalent to the right to practice your faith, the right to vote and the right to peacefully assemble. A government banning guns is no different than a government doing away with elections or banning a religion.

You will find that the govt. engaging in actions that effectively discriminate on the basis of religion will have a similarly dubious legal status.
10-18-2020, 01:07 AM
Loki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Nice try but the right to guns is equivalent to the right to practice your faith, the right to vote and the right to peacefully assemble. A government banning guns is no different than a government doing away with elections or banning a religion.

Considering how quick you are to call for bans on protests, is that really the comparison you want to make?
10-18-2020, 01:13 AM
Lewkowski

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Originally Posted by Loki

Considering how quick you are to call for bans on protests, is that really the comparison you want to make?

I've never called for a ban on protests. However calling a gathering a protest does not give you extra rights. You don't get to block people going about their day. You don't get to burn other people's property. You don't get to loot.
10-18-2020, 01:23 PM
Loki

I.e., you're against most protests. As long as some protesters misbehave, you want the cops to go after all protesters. As long as they're Democrats of course.
10-18-2020, 02:33 PM
EyeKhan

Oh, I thought this thread was about the militia terrorists plotting to kidnap and murder Michigan's governor and foment a civil war, with the President egging them on, because they think it's too much of a burden to wear masks. Lewk, I didn't see your thread decrying that.
10-18-2020, 03:24 PM
Lewkowski

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Originally Posted by Loki

I.e., you're against most protests. As long as some protesters misbehave, you want the cops to go after all protesters. As long as they're Democrats of course.

Many protests are perfectly legal - I don't know why you think all protestors are lawless hooligans but that's an interesting take coming from a liberal.
10-18-2020, 03:56 PM
LittleFuzzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Nice try but the right to guns is equivalent to the right to practice your faith, the right to vote and the right to peacefully assemble. A government banning guns is no different than a government doing away with elections or banning a religion.

No one is banning guns They just have to say that they're against gun violence. If that's too much for you, how about a statement allowing surveillance of them in their homes, at work, and at their place of worship?
10-18-2020, 06:39 PM
Aimless

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Many protests are perfectly legal - I don't know why you think all protestors are lawless hooligans but that's an interesting take coming from a liberal.

I believe he means that, in any given protest where most people are abiding by the law, you will nevertheless want the police to engage those few who might not be behaving equally lawfully in a manner that will severely infringe upon the 1st amendment rights of the vast majority who are lawful. So far this year, at least hundreds of examples of this kind of antidemocratic behavior on the part of the police have been documented with the help of video and testimonials, yet you don't seem to have taken much issue with cops menacing, arresting or outright attacking innocent and peaceful protesters, arresting or even injuring journalists trying to cover the protests, dragging protesters into unmarked vans without identifying themselves or articulating a justification for their actions, engaging in dubious digital surveillance of protesters, etc. He's absolutely right—and, for the record, you're really just not clever enough to pull off this "who, me?" act, or this facile attempt at turning the tables on Loki.
10-18-2020, 08:31 PM
RandBlade

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

No one is banning guns They just have to say that they're against gun violence. If that's too much for you, how about a statement allowing surveillance of them in their homes, at work, and at their place of worship?

Touché
10-18-2020, 08:50 PM
Aimless

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

No one is banning guns They just have to say that they're against gun violence.

And, if they do not, they don't get to own and use guns? I dunno man, that sounds like a ban on guns for all those people who want to own guns specifically for the purpose of—one day—being able to use them in "defense" of their right to violently oppose their enemies. Frankly, it sounds like religious discrimination as well, given that these cultists worship at the altar of hypothetical gun violence. Double whammy. It would never fly.