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I'm really surprised people call it woke. I see they made some changes, but if it is woke, the books already were as well.
They were, to an extent. Both the books and RJ himself were uncommonly progressive in several respects—esp. given that he was an old white Southern army vet writing in a notoriously, shall we say "not woke" genre. This can be seen in eg. his deliberate decisions to subvert gender roles (in myriad ways) and ethnic stereotypes, as well as the treatment of eg. homosexuality. That being said, he was also a horndog, and there were obv other issues where the books were very much a product of their time. But people are mad that the woke mafia altered the most important thing about Jordan's world, the very core of the WoT story—namely, the limited genetic diversity of the Two Rivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
The show has been very deliberate about more-or-less race-neutral casting and avoiding gratuitious sexualization of women though. Don't think there will be much nude spanking in the show.
I read the books and never did I ever have the idea that the ethnicity of the Emondsfielders was that clear cut. Actually the whole of Andor was a bit non-descript in that way. Unlike all the other nations that had a specific flavor. The only thing I actively remember is that Rand had some traits of one of those other people's.
Emondsfielders in the series to me came accross as a credible group of mixed race people. But how da fog did their ethnicity become a core of the WOT story? They were living in the ruins of a society that could barely have known any such lines of demarcation.
I never got any gay vibes from the books and the pillow sisters thing was so veiled that even when it was pointed out to me it felt more like a reluctance to include homosexuality than actually being inclusive. And yeah, the times we could feast on the description of female's breasts were many more than I could appreciate.
Oh yes, they certainly were, at least by the standards of what the anti-woke crowd considers "woke" to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
I would agree, A standard set by there not being anything the least unlike about Rand (who we are frequently later told is the very image of an Aiel-man except for his hair) to or among any of them. But I think that very silence ultimately becomes the heart of it. Since it was not described as otherwise, they were free to fit their own vision there. And now they are betrayed because it's not matching what they chose to imagine any undescribed distant rural farming area would look likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Generally the ethnic diversity isn't the reason people who watched it soured to it. The whole "who is the Dragon" and all its stupid red herrings were quite painful. The unnecessary changes began piling up for nonsensical reasons that made the story go to the shitter. Perrin and a wife? Why? The Horn is under Agelmar's chair? Why? The actual Tarwin Gap battle being stupid, the lack of Rand saving the day at Tarwin's Gap... the absurdity of Nyneave being stronger than Logaine... gaaaah. I gave it an honest go but by the end of the first season it was just fked beyond all recognition. I imagine non-book readers were decently entertained by pretty visuals. There were some nice scenes but why is it so damn hard to make an adaption without all this shit? With screen time already so precious why add details that no one asked for? Perrin's wife? WHY?
I doubt that this series was made to please the readers. It was ended too long ago for it to be that. I am not going to claim all changes were good, but some were ok in the framework of the series. As a series it was a thousand times more enjoyable than 'Rings of Power'. I can't shake off the feeling that the shit that malfeasance deserved got misdirected towards WoT.
No need to start a new thread; just wanted to say season 3 was phenomenal. But its final fills me with dread. It seems like they weren't quite certain if the series will be renewed, so made the season's finale into something that could serve as a series' finale as well.
This is why I don't bother starting new shows: https://deadline.com/2025/05/the-whe...eo-1236409657/
The streaming model remains undefeated :o damn shame, the WoT community on bluesky was a welcome reprieve from doomscrolling. Given the protracted negotiations, reports of execs being pleased with the creative aspects, and the remark about the "current economic climate", it's easy to imagine an alternate reality with two more seasons, but I think the team has had misgivings for a very long time and I'm not surprised the show had to stop here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki