Four years on and none of the accusations have gone to court, which is a bit odd.
At which point does innocent until proven guilty get an airing?
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Four years on and none of the accusations have gone to court, which is a bit odd.
At which point does innocent until proven guilty get an airing?
Especially given the lawsuit hasn't been settled yet. Either Spacey is trolling everyone, or someone is trying to torture Spacey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazuha Vinland
The movie appears to be Italian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
I don't get the "Free Britney" movement. The fact she wants to go off her medication despite having a severe mental illness shows she's clearly not capable of making rational decisions. And if not being able to go off her meds is a major reason for disliking the current arrangement, that says more about her than about the arrangement.
Conservatorship arrangements of these kinds tend to be extremely restrictive as it is, and hers seems to have been particularly nuts (although it's possible that it only seems that way because of her celebrity status and the high profile campaign calling for the termination or significant alternation of her conservatorship). Wanting to go off your medications is not—in and of itself—sufficient justification for indefinitely prolonging conservatorship. Wrt whether or not it's a rational desire, consider her conflicting desire to have a child with her partner; several of the psychiatric medications that may have been prescribed to her are such that many patients as well as physicians would prefer they not be used during pregnancy—if it's at all avoidable. On top of this, she has claimed that the conservatorship has been used to deny her the right to try to have a child with her current partner. Under the auspices of this arrangement, her life seems to have been inordinately restricted. Restricting a free person's autonomy wrt their own body and their own life is always a big deal—it must never be taken lightly, and the state's authority to impose such restrictions must be tightly regulated. I don't think this situation is clear-cut, but I'm leaning towards the view that the restrictions have been excessive—and that her rights have been violated by those who were tasked with safeguarding those very rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I would be more sympathetic to her claims if she accepted she had a mental disorder in need of treatment. Perhaps she's not allowed to have a child because she wouldn't be able to raise it.
She's been pretty open about her psychiatric issues in the past. Receiving a psychiatric diagnosis does not in and of itself mean that you must subject yourself to any specific treatment modality or regimen indefinitely; with almost all otherwise well-functioning patients, there is a lot of room for tailoring the therapeutic approach to the patient's wishes and circumstances. For example, it's possible to change the therapeutic approach to make it easier and more safe to go through pregnancy, and then change to something else afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Having a psychiatric diagnosis doesn't mean you give up your rights eg. to basic autonomy and dignity; all infringements of those rights must be very well justified and critically examined. In this case, there is some evidence to suggest that several of the people involved with her conservatorship had failed in that regard—perhaps to the point of being legally culpable. So it's not just a question of sympathy but also a question of legality.
There are extremely many people who are not apparently capable of raising a child, but our states have neither the authority nor the desire to prevent all those people from having children—not anymore, at least, because, as you well know, it's been tried before. Britney's future children will have a significant advantage compared to the children of many people who might struggle with raising a child, because, unlike many of them, she will have access to a lot more support, assistance, and resources.
One somewhat common reason for strongly advising some patients against having children is that they're on a treatment that substantially increases the likelihood of giving birth to a child with congenital disorders. Usually, these treatments are avoided in women of childbearing age—but far from always. Just this year, I've had to help two patients switch from such a drug to a safer one because they were planning to have children. There are risks involved with the switch, but they are not so great that they justify denying people one of the most treasured human rights.
Must suck to be exactly mentally ill enough to not be able to control your own life and fiances, but still well enough to be able to record records, perform and tour and make millions for the record industry.
I imagine it's like when you feel exactly as unwell as it possible to be while still being well enough that you feel you should go to work.
This is precisely why I don't believe she's kept from having a child because of her medication. I assume her father and the judge aren't idiots. There are clearly many types of medications and many types of treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
And this is also why I don't believe this is simply a question of having bipolar. She wouldn't be in this situation if that was the case. My guess is there are multiple psychological and personality disorders, which prevent rational decision-making. She might be very good in some areas (as Steely mentions) but terrible in others.
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60,000.
Sixty. Thousand.
Over 90 thousand claims filed. Unbelievable that parents would choose to continue exposing their children to this risk for so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
You can't seriously believe all those parents made a conscious decision to put their children at risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
I don't; I'm referring to those who continued to enroll their children once these abuses began to come to light, irrespective of whether or not their own children were subjected to abuse. The vast majority of parents enrolling their children in this organization for the past decade or more should have known about the sex abuse scandal—as well as about the organization's inadequate response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
I was in scouts during these abuses. Nothing (as far as I'm aware) came to light until well after I made eagle scout, left the organization and was in college. I even remember writing an essay about it for an english class at USF. A VAST majority of the claims were only filed in the last couple of years to get them in before the court ordered deadline. It was ~1700 claims before bankruptcy, and it stands around 82,000 now.
At first I didn't even understand the scope of it cause it was never something I ever considered as possible. Even at jamborees and summer camps, ZERO warning signs. I can't help but question how many of the ~80,000 that were only filed after the bankruptcy court set a deadline for compensation are legitimate.
I think you underestimate the sheer size of the organization. Huge parts of it will have been free of abuse and/or not aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Since school systems allowed them into schools to recruit victims, it's not surprising that parents were burying their heads in the sand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
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This thread was a very surprising and surreal reminder of just how fucking weird the US is. I encourage people from less weird countries to read the replies. It's bizarre
I don't think you're being fair to the parents. The same could be said about enrolling kids in CYO (Catholic Youth Org) sports, despite all the reports *and law suits* surrounding pedophile Catholic priests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
edit: or supporting their endeavor in a team sport like football....and attending Penn State. Or gymnastics, which is rife with sexual abuse.
For all I know, my son's rape happened during his time with BSA. (That might explain why he left abruptly, weeks short of getting his Eagle rank! :eek:) We used to argue about the BSA's organizing "principles" when they made it clear that homosexuals were not welcomed, and whether atheists/agnostics or any non-Christians had a place, either.
I'd already left the Lutheran church even tho they sponsored his troop. But I was a newly divorced mom, raising 2 sons basically on my own, and wanted to provide them with structure and skills, in a group setting, that would *enhance* their lives. Having male role models was a plus. Gimme a break. And please get off your high horse.
I missed this post. Do you really think public schools (or churches) are trying to "recruit victims" when they agree to sponsor scout troops? Or that parents are burying their heads in the sand when they sign their kids up for ANY group activity? Didn't you send your own kids to summer camp?Quote:
Originally Posted by littlelolligagged
You don't post very often, Lolli. But when you do, you make very judgemental statements, then disappear. WTF!
They really seem to try to make optical/radiometric units as confusing as possible, it seems:
Yeah, hard to see how anyone could confuse a ν with a v...Quote:
Spectral quantities given per unit frequency are denoted with suffix "ν" (Greek)—not to be confused with suffix "v" (for "visual") indicating a photometric quantity.
Heh, in this font they appear to be exactly the same.
https://hillreporter.com/catholic-mo...ing-app-107426
Wtf on many levels..
- Not banning abortion is bad enough to get denied from church, gay sex isn't?
- That you can identify a single person from Grindr data should be worrying, if you care about privacy.
- So bishops who molest kids are reassigned/ covered up, but a bishop who has gay sex has to resign..
Pretty sure the resignation is because of the hypocrisy.
USA #1! :cheerleader:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Loki, it's the Legal Conservatorship system that's being questioned...and whether the courts are actually "protecting" someone with mental illness, or if they're letting others use/exploit them for their own profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
There's a double standard here, particularly for women. Name one male Hollywood "star" with mental illness whose behaviors (and reproductive decisions) are dictated by a legal conservator/guardian....
Human life in the U.S. is worth less than $166,000
But our investors...
"Corporations are people, too". :rolleyes:
https://rachaeldenhollander.com/how-...le-girl-worth/Quote:
"How much is a little girl worth?"
Simone Biles quoted her during congressional testimony about the multiple systemic failures that failed to protect young athletes from sexual abuse for decades. It's the same damn sad story for victims in the military and church groups.
I've come to the conclusion that *men in power* don't really give a shit about anything but holding onto their power. And they're willing to overlook, minimize, or de-legitimize all sorts of abuse and exploitation, just to keep that power.
I want to be wrong about that. I've tried for years to convince myself that it's just a "few bad apples", and that correlation doesn't mean causation. But at the same time, since men still dominate most spheres of power, it's hard not to blame most of our problems on mens' penchant for patriarchy.
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I've been having super weird and detailed dreams lately, but this is the first time it's included one of you. Last night, I dreamed that OG won $31.4 million dollars in a game of chance at Disney World - as far as I can remember, it was a weird combination of slots, dominoes, and yahtzee. I don't even know if you can gamble at Disney, but there you have it.
Congrats, OG! Spend it wisely.
That explains how he could afford the mansion. :o
lol, closest thing Disney had to gambling was the 4 story arcade called Disney Quest but they shut that down years ago.
The down payment for my new place is coming from my current place (30% increase in 5 years) and crypto (60% in 1 month). We had our first open house last night and the agent said we should be expecting multiple offers from it and we have another open house today. Plan to take the best offer on Monday.
https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...il/M5907774031
Crazy part is that I saw this post while attempting to check my powerball tickets, so watch for an edit.
Honestly I love the exterior color there, and the bar facing the kitchen window in the screened-in porch is also really cool! Hope you get a bidding war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Are you moving for more space? Maybe I'm too used to squatting in abandoned Berlin attic/converted servant quarters but it looks like a ton of space already.
I currently have 7 people in a 4/2 @ 2100 sq/ft. I'm the only guy. 30 year old wood frame house.
Moving into a 6/3 plus a flex room and 20x20 loft. 4 year old concrete block.
We have space, but we all really want our own space.
Okay that's a lot more people than I expected, and I agree the only ratio that really matters is the bathroom-to-human ratio :eek:
That's some interesting priorities.
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Originally Posted by Aimless
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Originally Posted by Flixy
Haven't checked whether they unpublished the article :o
TIL that the PM of Finland is younger than me. It was bad enough that the new mayor of Boston is about the same age, but now prime ministers? I have clearly not been applying myself in life... and/or these political leaders are wildly inexperienced for jobs of this magnitude. I'd known about Sebastian Kurz, of course, but in his case I knew he was woefully underqualified.
Ditto. :o
:haha: Pretty soon you'll be old enough to be your doctor's parents.