Health Care Debate

yo to be honest, i hope the world ends 2012 cause life is gonna suck. That is my little food for though.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

And the poor people already used emergency rooms for crap like a broken arm.

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Unless they have an Urgent Care Center (or a nifty orthopedic center with radiologists and surgeons like my town) the ED is appropriate for a fracture. It's using the ED for ear infections and sore throats that racks up costs.

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The issue is that the level of health care the middle class has now will be diminished as the government forces more people into the health care system. You will see a lot more boutique service doctors going into business. And if congress actually honestly does go through with the medicare cuts and doesn't "doctor fix" it then you will see grandma kicked out since trying to find a doctor to take medicare patients will be a lot harder.

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By 'level of care' for middle class do you mean quality will be diminished? Doubtful. Their costs for insurance premiums and copays may go up, but they probably should anyway. That's part of the rally cry from the right---make the true costs transparent, get rid of hidden costs, get people involved in their care, take some burden off the employer.

I just posted an article that PA teachers are bitching that they have to pay $100/month for family coverage, with $20 copays for office visits. The taxpayers pick up the rest. They want more pay, to offset their higher contributions. Their union won't budge, so districts are reducing busing and student programs.

Knowing how you loathe unions, it's odd you can't see that large businesses face the same issue. They offer perks like insurance and write it off their taxes. They get a subsidy from feds to help pay for senior meds, and get to skim that off their profits to pay less taxes. No one knows the real costs, because everyone is subsided (by employer or government). Billions of dollars going to the insurance industry is money misplaced IMO, they suck as administrators. At least now they'll be forced to change their rationing model.


Medicare has problems, how would you fix it? If it turns out millions of seniors use the ED for primary care (because JCAH laws say no one can be denied care at a hospital that took federal funds), it could force their hand to beef up provider reimbursements, which would mean higher taxes or payroll deductions.

Using scare tactics on granny, that her guv'ment funded care will be gone, is a weird way to say guv'ment programs should get less funding. :rolleyes:

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Everything is rationed.

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Use the quote button. It's irritating when you mix comments from two posters like this.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

A recent study showed that abstinence only programs that omit religous content do in fact work. :bulb:

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I call bullshit. Where did you read this study? On The Onion? :rolleyes:

Source, please.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Hey man, I'm not interested in arguing the issue. I think abstinance only is silly. IMHO every girl should get an implanted contraceptive that works until she's 25 or better yet until she gets married and everyone should be encouraged to have as much sex as possible. Probably should work in condoms or something to fight STDS. That and regular STD screenings and treatment. Or something. I can't imagine having too much sex. Can men even do that?

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+1. :up::up:

If the government actually did something like this, I wouldn't have to keep moving every time one of my 12 year old... "friends"... gets pregnant.

And on a completely unrelated note... how old did you say your daughter was?

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Originally Posted by GGT

Sorry to say, but the truly informed teens would never think a condom or pill will protect them from bad things.

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Damned straight! Everyone knows that's the government's job.

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Originally Posted by GGT

No one knows the real costs, because everyone is subsided (by employer or government). Billions of dollars going to the insurance industry is money misplaced IMO, they suck as administrators.

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Absolutely! Those billions of dollars should go to the government instead, with their incredible competency in simple administrative tasks.

And on that note... US Patent and Trademark Office unable to read "upside down" faxes.

:haha:

Nah, but we'll be fine. I'm sure *this time will be different* and the government won't find new and interesting ways to fuck-up tasks a drunk monkey could perform. And hell, it's not like health care is a matter of life or death, and government incompetence might actually kill people.

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Originally Posted by GGT

At least now they'll be forced to change their rationing model.

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You sound like you actually believe that. Haha.

Well, at least we finally managed to stick it to those evil, heartless insurance companies... by forcing every American to buy health insurance. That'll learn 'em!

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Originally Posted by Young Mage

yo to be honest, i hope the world ends 2012 cause life is gonna suck. That is my little food for though.

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Why wait for 2012?

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

I call bullshit. Where did you read this study? On The Onion? :rolleyes:

Source, please.

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OG posted it somewhere. Read some more of the thread dood - you're treadin' trodden ground.

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+1. :up::up:

If the government actually did something like this, I wouldn't have to keep moving every time one of my 12 year old... "friends"... gets pregnant.

And on a completely unrelated note... how old did you say your daughter was?

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Re-tread again. Weren't you trying to eliminate all the incrimating stuff you wrote in Atari before you were ejected? So why declare your pedophilia here???

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

OG posted it somewhere. Read some more of the thread dood - you're treadin' trodden ground.

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You mean that post where you proudly declare that "reading a study" is the same thing as "reading a headline?"

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

I don't know. I didn't get past the headline. I seem to recall ... [that reading a headline is as good, if not better than reading the actual study].

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Yeah, I remember that, but I was giving you benefit of the doubt and chose to believe you were smarter than a houseplant. My mistake.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Re-tread again. Weren't you trying to eliminate all the incrimating stuff you wrote in Atari before you were ejected?

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Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

So why declare your pedophilia here???

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Is that you, PR_FLAK?

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

You mean that post where you proudly declare that "reading a study" is the same thing as "reading a headline?"




Yeah, I remember that, but I was giving you benefit of the doubt and chose to believe you were smarter than a houseplant. My mistake.



Have you stopped beating your wife yet?



Is that you, PR_FLAK?

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Holy Moses you pick up right where you left off, not even breaking stride. Sorry, I'm not interested in sparring. Enjoy your cherries though. :up:

Enjoy reading your scientific studies headlines. :up:

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

Enjoy reading your scientific studies headlines. :up:

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Whoa. More points. Your wit is incredible.