Can American conservatism survive intact & unadulterated?

Its understood that you're too lazy to actually read the thread but there were few remarks made about this being related to the teens being trump supporters. As has already been linked to and discussed, the hats are seen as a symbol of hate and racism, not just a political advertisement. One of the reasons the Twitter accounts got so popular so quickly is because people we're pointing out where the kids were sneaking in the white power symbol that 4chan made popular.

Now if you're seeing a connection between what the hat has come to mean and your average trump supporter, well, reality can be a bitch some times.

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

Its understood that you're too lazy to actually read the thread but there were few remarks made about this being related to the teens being trump supporters. As has already been linked to and discussed, the hats are seen as a symbol of hate and racism, not just a political advertisement. One of the reasons the Twitter accounts got so popular so quickly is because people we're pointing out where the kids were sneaking in the white power symbol that 4chan made popular.

Now if you're seeing a connection between what the hat has come to mean and your average trump supporter, well, reality can be a bitch some times.

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Oh my god you actually think the OK/PERFECT emoji is a symbol of white power? You don't understand 4chan at all do you?

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I wonder if those boys are old enough to shave, or if they've seen those Gillette ads.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Oh my god you actually think the OK/PERFECT emoji is a symbol of white power? You don't understand 4chan at all do you?

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There's that total lack of comprehension popping up again. It's almost as if you use it as an excuse to not defend your claims.

I don't know who's dumber—the "lol u can't have a bachelor of arts in a science" guy, or the irredeemable meatheads that voted him into Congress. It's a tight race.

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Wow. There aren't enough Picard Facepalms on the internet to respond to that one.

The sheer shock of “Are you serious? Is this really serious? This is really happening here?” . . . Welcome to 2019. :bulb:

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Modern American conservatism has become sad and kinda gross:

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The 'traditional' Republican Party is dead. It's been replaced by Trumpistas...who don't give a damn about fiscal responsibility, budget debts or deficits, "Free Markets", limits on Executive Powers, or even Rule of Law. Those things used be bedrock principles of 'conservatives', but their fit within the GOP has disappeared as it became the Trump Party.

The Trump Party wants to keep 'conservatives' under their wing by convincing them that they share a cultural identity. Since we've embraced identity politics, that makes sense as a strategy -- and Trump is a master at taking the pulse of society, and exploiting it -- because he's an entertainer and brilliant scam artist.

He knows we have short attention spans, prefer to get our "news" in short bursts (from friends of friends on social media, or from Fox & Friends on Fox News), and we like to be entertained. Memes and tropes work well. Just don't dig too deep into the weeds, facts might burst the bubble. :rolleyes:

The Trump Dynasty will create a New Republican Party....while preserving "conservative" values.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...n-party-2019-9

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This man is a fucking racist. The people in that audience are racists. If you're watching this and thinking he has a point, that there's something good about what he's saying, something to defend, you're probably a racist.

Even for Cheney, this is uncommonly stupid and disgusting:

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Trump got rolled. Democrats had nothing to do with it.

She's auditioning for the worst Cheney. She's halfway there.

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Originally Posted by Loki

She's auditioning for the worst Cheney. She's halfway there.

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Imagine being Liz Cheney and still not being the worst Cheney. Well, I guess she has plenty of time to catch up.

Meanwhile, in the caricature formerly known as the USA, where religion and state were once separate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG2l51HV...pg&name=medium

I don't what's more pathetic, that Pompeo and Barr are such pathetic fucking tryhards, or that they have such a dim view of the American public--or, at least, of conservatives. It's possible that they're trying to bolster their defenses against the rising threat of impeachment and possibly criminal charges, but someone should remind these idiots that God is a crappy defense attorney.

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Even for Cheney, this is uncommonly stupid and disgusting:

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Trump got rolled. Democrats had nothing to do with it.

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She's actually probably correct in part. The domestic situation is one of Trump's own making but if his Presidency was on stronger footing, Erdogan and the Turks might not have gone for it. The way Trump's decision has increased Republican support for impeachment lends further urgency to Turkey's activties since it makes impeachment that much more likely to occupy our policy-makers attention. It's certainly not the only factor though. Trump's previous praise of Erdogan and obvious comfort with dictators being aggressive and repressive also plays a part, for example.

Well, too bad I guess; nazism obviously didn't teach Americans anything about how you destroy democracy.

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

She's actually probably correct in part. The domestic situation is one of Trump's own making but if his Presidency was on stronger footing, Erdogan and the Turks might not have gone for it. The way Trump's decision has increased Republican support for impeachment lends further urgency to Turkey's activties since it makes impeachment that much more likely to occupy our policy-makers attention. It's certainly not the only factor though. Trump's previous praise of Erdogan and obvious comfort with dictators being aggressive and repressive also plays a part, for example.

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Maybe, but he could still have thought a bit more about the alternative outcomes of his attempt to wag the dog. The long term effects of throwing the Kurds under the bus will express themselves in a rebalancing of the balance of powers in the region detrimental to American and Israeli interests.

Oops. Seems like he suddenly realised and is trying to get the cat back in the bag. And that with the armies of two countries on the move already.

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

She's actually probably correct in part. The domestic situation is one of Trump's own making but if his Presidency was on stronger footing, Erdogan and the Turks might not have gone for it. The way Trump's decision has increased Republican support for impeachment lends further urgency to Turkey's activties since it makes impeachment that much more likely to occupy our policy-makers attention. It's certainly not the only factor though. Trump's previous praise of Erdogan and obvious comfort with dictators being aggressive and repressive also plays a part, for example.

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I dunno. Think what little we know so far about the development of this mess suggests that the matter of impeachment is largely peripheral. Eg. https://www.axios.com/trump-erdogan-...8b3a51f26.html

Trump has been openly telegraphing this for a year--he announced plans to leave late 2018 after all--as has Erdogan.

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Originally Posted by Aimless

Meanwhile, in the caricature formerly known as the USA, where religion and state were once separate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG2l51HV...pg&name=medium

I don't what's more pathetic, that Pompeo and Barr are such pathetic fucking tryhards, or that they have such a dim view of the American public--or, at least, of conservatives. It's possible that they're trying to bolster their defenses against the rising threat of impeachment and possibly criminal charges, but someone should remind these idiots that God is a crappy defense attorney.

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It is pathetic but not new. It's a continuation of the Moral Majority, the Faith and Family Voters, even CPAC. They'd be making speeches to White Evangelicals regardless of the impeachment inquiry -- something like 77% voted for Trump. They're a big part of his base that believe Trump is "divinely inspired". Pence and Pompeo and Huckabee Sanders included.

They believe Christians have a moral obligation to back Trump. Even Bible verses (Render unto Caesar those things that are Caesar's) are used to defend obedience to Trump as their Christian mandate. (Never mind that they take it out of context for Republican political purposes.) Pat Robertson used to preach the same until the Syrian pull-out .....then he said Trump risks losing his Heavenly Mandate for not protecting the Christian Kurds.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...mp-book-040920

Apparently Trump isn't alone in thinking he's The Chosen One. :donkey:

But on the State Department website?

The Sec. of State is a White Evangelical Christian....who makes speeches to The American Association of Christian Counselors....

Ever heard of the National Prayer Breakfast or "The Family"? Sorry to break the news, but religion and state have never been separate in the US. Especially not in the (R) party.

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Originally Posted by GGT

The Sec. of State is a White Evangelical Christian....who makes speeches to The American Association of Christian Counselors....

Ever heard of the National Prayer Breakfast or "The Family"? Sorry to break the news, but religion and state have never been separate in the US. Especially not in the (R) party.

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You can express your faith while holding public office. Non-deistic religions abound on the left all the time.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

You can express your faith while holding public office. Non-deistic religions abound on the left all the time.

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Riiight. Imagine a Muslim Sec. of State "expressing his faith" by giving speeches to Islamic groups, then posting it on the official web site of the State Dept. Your double standards are astounding. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by GGT

Riiight. Imagine a Muslim Sec. of State "expressing his faith" by giving speeches to Islamic groups, then posting it on the official web site of the State Dept. Your double standards are astounding. :rolleyes:

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I wouldn't have a problem with it - assuming the Islamic groups weren't funding terrorists (which a lot seem to like doing).

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Originally Posted by GGT

The Sec. of State is a White Evangelical Christian....who makes speeches to The American Association of Christian Counselors....

Ever heard of the National Prayer Breakfast or "The Family"? Sorry to break the news, but religion and state have never been separate in the US. Especially not in the (R) party.

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I just didn't think govt institutions' websites were in the habit of advertising a particular religious movement on their front pages, esp. not a movement so utterly corrupt and pathetic. At least with the prayer breakfast you can pretend it's for all religions that involve praying.

"Thoughts and prayers". :bored:

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What a gutless fucking cretin.

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What a gutless fucking cretin.

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He's just copying language used by Biden in the 90s. True statesman, respecting his elders.

Curious if there's any objective you'd place above making the libs cry.