It's almost as if their main reason for wanting guns isn't to fight an oppressive government (see their sucking up to Putin) but to ward off an attack from African Americans.
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It's almost as if their main reason for wanting guns isn't to fight an oppressive government (see their sucking up to Putin) but to ward off an attack from African Americans.
Er, the NRA is hardly a monolithic organization, Loki. Its main reason for wanting guns are as varied as the reasons of its membership for wanting guns. Reasons which include self-defense, hunting and other sporting purposes, collectors wanting to increase the size of their collections, and yes, having the means to oppose an oppressive government. Their membership includes both police officers and African Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
That being said, I personally believe it to be outrageous that they haven't had more to say about the Castile case.
Talking about its leadership. Though it is chosen by the members. So maybe choose better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch the Red
I would be very interested in your sources for your assertion of the singular views of the NRA's leadership, and the reasons they support the second amendment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...a66_story.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Enoch the Red
Incidentally, here's an interesting piece on the origin of open carry:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...e-south/407809
Looks like the Republicans aren't as wary of those whose institutional memory includes the Comintern's efforts at coopting groups as the US Socialist party was.
Agree with you on the Castile case. I also don't like how the NRA got legislation passed that allowed people to take their arms onto private property. You have the freedom to do as you will but private property rights should not be interfered with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch the Red
More on the NRA and the right of African Americans to carry guns:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ar-arms/531093
Its spread to reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...lando_castile/
comments and sources in there talking about how backing the police increases gun sales and how the NRA was derailed/hijacked in the 70s to become an extension of the GOP.
There have been some meetings with Russian gun manufacturers, enthusiasts and gun rights advocates? Outrageous! Traitors the lot of them. Haul them before the HUAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I heard that Wayne LaPierre once enjoyed Russian vodka.
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Originally Posted by Enoch the Red
http://www.thedailybeast.com/top-tru...puty-in-moscow :bored:Quote:
In March 2014, the U.S. government sanctioned Dmitry Rogozin—a hardline deputy to Vladimir Putin, the head of Russia’s defense industry and longtime opponent of American power—in retaliation for the invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
Eighteen months later, the National Rifle Association, Donald Trump’s most powerful outside ally during the 2016 election, sent a delegation to Moscow that met with him.
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Originally Posted by Loki
You're right, forget the HUAC. Summary execution is far more appropriate for these kinds of treasonous acts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Your Original Source
You'd think that the left would have learned some lessons from the McCarthy era, instead of just cribbing notes from him on the best way to spread division and confusion.
Entirely consistent. They're neither black nor liberal.
Yes, Enoch, what a better way to prove the need for guns against an oppressive government than to suck up to an oppressive government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch the Red
Maybe you and I are living in different worlds, but where I come from it is a more than a stretch, and would take a rather conspiratorial mindset, to confuse a tour of the Russian Shooting Federation headquarters by board members of the NRA with sucking up to anyone, let alone a government not known for its support of private gun ownership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Look, I know that anyone doing anything with the Russians right now is fuel for the fire, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Deputy Prime Minister. :bored:
Was met at a group not individually. If the American soccer team played against the Russian soccer team and met with a senior Russian who chairs the Russian soccer federation while touring the Russian soccer federation then would that imply something political?
Minus the touring part. So an American official goes to meet with a top Russian official, who creates a one-off event as an excuse. With the trip being paid for mainly from ambiguous Russian sources.
I'm sorry, let's be very clear here. Just what do you think this meeting achieved politically for Russia? Is the NRA suddenly a fifth column inside the United States because the head of the Russian Shooting Federation gave them a tour of their headquarters? Did Putin foresee this eventuality and maneuver the KGB to install Rogozin in this position to influence members of the board of the NRA on this visit so that they could go back and pull Trump's marionette strings by giving them a walking tour of a building? Or might we instead use the razor and theorize it might not be unusual or untoward for the leadership of one gun group to have a short meeting with the head of another shooting group while they happened to be in the neighborhood. I know we want to see Reds behind every bush and in every dark alley, but come now. This is bordering on birther level conspiracy theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
It's part of Russia's long-term strategy to create an anti-globalist bloc, made up of far-right, nationalist, family values, and occasionally far-left groups from the West.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch the Red
http://time.com/4696424/moscow-right...n-republicans/
And here's the NRA opposing sanctions against Russian arms manufacturers.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2014...ssian-firearms
You believe it is more likely that a brief tour, a year in the future no less, turned NRA board members Red and swayed them to oppose Obama's executive order prohibiting the import of common and popular rifles and shotguns, instead of the NRA opposing any executive action, from any president let alone one widely perceived as being openly hostile to the second amendment, seen as a backdoor means of further restricting gun ownership and instituting gun control?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
With diplomatic and interpersonal skills like that, as well as the ability to transcend space and time, it's a wonder the Russians even need an army.
:haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch the Red
What do you think the Soviets were trying to accomplish with the (ultimately unsuccessful) efforts of their Comintern to take over the US Socialist party and its various subsidiary organizations? Infiltrating their own people into political and lobbying organizations and/or creating sympathetic ears is one significant way to develop, spread, and make use of influence in another country, particularly one that is often less than friendly. Hell, WE were certainly doing it in the '90s. And you can say it's innocent or just what nations do but Russia tried to interfere with and influence the US election. And that's NOT the action of an innocent or friendly power, it's a hostile act.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch the Red
And if you ask the NRA today if they plan on meeting with high level Russian officials they may have a different perspective than they did in 2015. Or maybe they wouldn't. Like I said, sometimes a cigar is a cigar.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
If you want to pass judgment on an individual or organization for things we know years after the fact, be my guest. I'm just not sure how it is productive or meaningful to do so. But if the goal of the Russians was to sow division, mistrust, and discord among the population of the United States, they certainly have made a remarkable achievement.
The Crimean occupation occurred in 2014, and the Russian official the NRA met was under sanctions for playing a role in that occupation. :bored:
Maybe someone from MoveOn.org should meet one of the leaders of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard? On a trip funded by Iran.
I would be less than shocked if people from MoveOn.org have met with Hamas leaders that were once, or still are operating under US sanctions. Learning that wouldn't particularly trouble me, would it trouble you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
For all the cop apologetics, here's the dash cam video of the incident. That cop is a grade-A scumbag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqgz7kRGVxg
He also has quite a point about the striking difference between the behaviour of the scumbag and the woman: He clearly panicked and she didn't.
Think about that: He's the guy with the gun. And she just watched her boyfriend die.
That video is not available in the UK. Though if the guy panicked (your words) then it sounds like he was in fear so he was acting in [misguided] self-defence. Not sure how that makes him a grade-a scumbag.
I'd be more concerned if the guy hadn't panicked and was shooting in cold-blood.
For rand's benefit before he digs his hole any deeper.
http://i.imgur.com/sPlHpxf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WPvbzfq.jpg
That doesn't address anything I wrote as moving as the sentiments are. I haven't been insulting or casting aspersions over either of the black people in the car. The only thing I have said regarding them is that it is regrettable he followed up saying "I have a gun" with putting his hands inside his pockets rather than waiting for the officers reaction to that. You shouldn't be shot dead for making sudden movements like that.