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I actually agree. Why didn't Woodward release these tapes back in March? He has the right to hold on to them to boost sales for his book, but that doesn't make it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Being
I had no respect to lose for Trump, I have lost respect for Woodward.
An exceptionally rare instance I have to agree with Trump. Damn you Woodward.
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Randy you might want to include some clarification on what it is you agree with. You know, like this...
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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
I agree that if Woodward thought that Trump was being dangerous to public health and he had recorded evidence that the POTUS was lying, then he had a [moral] obligation to report that to save lives, rather than wait until he had a book to publish before doing so.
That everyone put a lot of stock in the polls and had egg on their face. (Except crazy enough, Ann Coulter and Michael Moore)
Which has precisely nothing to do with the fact that the president is a dangerously incompetent criminal and pathological liar who let many tens of thousands of people die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
If you can read and don't have your head stuck up your own ass, you can read what Trump is quoted as saying to Woodward, and compare that to what he said to the public—as well as to what we knew and know about the pandemic; you will find that Trump did indeed go to great lengths to deceive the public about the pandemic. His words speak for themselves, and Fauci knows this as well. That is why it doesn't matter that he demurred when asked to admit outright that the president lied in such a way that it led to the deaths of tens of thousands of American deaths and historical damage to the economy. Use your brain you pathetic fucking dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
What advice did Fauci give to Trump that he didn't take? Trump was one of the first political leaders to actually act (China travel ban) in regards to Covid. And the loony left called him a racist and said it was perfectly fine to go out to eat and take part in parades. You are making an argument that Trump's rhetoric somehow caused the virus to be worse when each state/city had their own localized virus concerns and what happened there is directly up to the mayors and governors. Oh tell me again which states had the highest deaths per capita? Would that by New York? New Jersey?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Sorry man that was too much dull-witted bullshit for just one post. You really need to get your head out of your ass before your brain completely rots. Do you genuinely not understand the problem with a leader blatantly lying to the public and deliberately acting in a way that causes members of that public to die, eg. through sabotaging efforts to secure adequate stocks of supplies, sabotaging testing and sabotaging the efforts to contain the pandemic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
I mean, seriously, are you truly such a worthless shithead even in your meatlife that you have no compunctions about lying in such an disgusting manner, or being such a reckless vandal, or just being incompetent?
Remember when you said that people should be judged on the basis of their character? I don't think you'd particularly enjoy being judged on the basis of yours.
What advice did Fauci give to Trump that he didn't take?
Don't take hydroxychloroquineQuote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
And would following that advice have changed the the amount of people who died by any significant factor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Being
(Also several other countries are still actively using this as part of their pandemic plan, so it isn't like America was alone in looking at this drug)
Ah, so we're playing twenty questions now. :haha: The answer is Trump is delusional and incompetent. No amount of advice can change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Wait, is that for real? I knew Pence was afraid of women but that looks like a parody. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
"Which has precisely nothing to do with the fact that the president is a dangerously incompetent criminal and pathological liar who let many tens of thousands of people die." -AimlessQuote:
Originally Posted by Being
This is what I'm arguing, not Trump's general competency of lack of it.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...mpter-question
You'd think this would be an easy question to answer...
No, you are saying that Trump wasn't given the advice that could have saved thousands of lives. My response to such nonsense is that Trump doesn't take advice. He has told us this many times. He has a very big brain which gives him the only advice he is willing to act on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
A coordinated federal response based on science. :donkey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
I wonder if Michiganders understand the feelings behind this song??
https://youtu.be/ZWijx_AgPiA
Trump Blares Fortunate Son to the Crowd....
I do. And it's a brilliant irony. Its perfect for Trump to play at his rally. Just perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Being
I bet you don't live in Huron County. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
The polls were off by 1.1%. :bored:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...nton-5491.html
National Polls are beyond useless and matter exactly zero to the outcome, certain states swung more than 1%.
Same rag that made up this story...Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-at...ce-prize-trump
I swear 2020 is just the absurdity that keeps on giving.
Lmao, the story originally published by one of the world's most highly regarded and thorough news sources—with an almost unbelievably strict information vetting process—has been confirmed by multiple major news orgs you pathetic fucking clown :haha: in response to that, you post what is basically some cretin writing about one person's reaction to some Norwegian weirdo who keeps nominating Trump for the peace prize along with a roundup of reactions from a bunch of b-list shitheads. Jfc do you never tire of showing your ass in every single thread? Have some fucking dignity man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Norwegian far right weirdo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
I wonder what it is about President Trump that makes him appeal to far right.
That rag has 0 sources on the record and now about a dozen people (including Trump hater Bolton) who say they never heard what the Atlantic is claiming Trump said. The Atlantic is a joke, its basically just Buzzfeed but even more partisan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
The Atlantic is slightly left of center whereas Buzzfeed is far left of center so...you are a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings
Oh lol they put NPR as center. Hilarious.
No you fucking clown, as any person who's ever written a piece for the Atlantic can confirm, their teams check literally everything. Every tiny little detail. What someone ate at a meeting, what the weather was like, everything. In addition to the Atlantic, several other news sources have confirmed the details of this story, all of which are consistent with Trump's public statements on these subjects. Against this, you're putting a menagerie of notorious liars and morons known for pulling bullshit out of their ass—people who lie and bullshit on the record. Lewk, you're a fucking joke. You know you're a joke, and I am beginning to suspect even you don't respect yourself. Which is fair, because you don't deserve any respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Right, there's this thing that has been puzzling me throughout.
Lets believe Trump at his word, why not. Lets roll with it. Trump downplayed the Covid-19 because he didn't want to create a panic.
Lewkowksi, explain this to me. A president who knows about the dangers of Covid-19, but is motivated not to create a panic, still pushes for, and actively advertises rallies and boasting how these rallies will be packed events. That he knew about the danger of Covid-19 is now known because we have heard him on record. Knowing how dangerous this Covid-19 is, how do you excuse Trump for placing increasing his re-election chances higher than the lives of people who were willing to support him by attending those rallies?
That is what boggles me. I know you love and adore Trump because of the reaction he causes among what you call 'liberals'. They loathe him, therefor, you love him.
But this was directed towards his most loyal of followers. He is gambling with their lives, just so he can stand up on a stage and bellow nonsense at them to go "yay", just so he can reaffirm the image he has of himself, the greatest president ever.
Why doesn't this anger you? This is not about pissing off liberals. This is directed at those who were responsible for putting him where he is now, the President of the United States. It doesn't bother you that he only cares about you lot when you get to vote, or be a number at a rally?
Look, I can fully understand rooting for a team, and have blinkers on, but when that team shows clearly, without a hint of ambiguity, that his re-election chances are more important than your health, are you that much of a supporter that you feel it's fine that a leader gambles with your lives for "the good of the country" without your informed say so?
And yeah, you're not the first staunch republican supporter I ask this question to, so I am not expecting much. Also, this isn't a gotcha question, because that wouldn't be enough reason for me to delurk. I'm having real issues with squaring the thought processes involved that makes you accept this kind of behaviour from a president of the United States.
Lmao you dumb motherfucker, did Fauci tell Trump to fuck up testing, tracing and isolating for months? Did Fauci tell Trump to obstruct governors' efforts to secure access to essential supplies? Did Fauci tell Trump to pressure states to reopen too soon? Did Fauci tell Trump to downplay the risks? Did Fauci tell Trump to fuck up the coordinated pandemic response? Did Fauci tell Trump to dismantle the pandemic response system that was in place when Trump became president? Did Fauci tell Trump to neglect pandemic preparedness? Did Fauci tell Trump he wanted to be muzzled by Putin's former PR guy, who has also been interfering in the CDC's production of important reports that guide policy and practice? Lewk, you are a fucking clown, and it is genuinely embarrassing to see these increasingly pathetic attempts to salvage the last vestiges of your dignity while your whole ludicrous ass is on full display. Trump's failures are his; he can't foist them off on others. Mature, adult men intuitively understand this basic principle of leadership, and it's honestly just fucking sad that you don't. You've really had to lower the bar for yourself, haven't you mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Lewk doesn't believe the pandemic poses much of a risk to him and those in his tribe (both because he doesn't believe covid itself isn't all that dangerous, and because he believes he's protected from it). He believes that it poses a risk for the enemy, and, if not, that it can at least be used as a political weapon against the enemy. When Trump says he knew the pandemic was a big deal and that covid was dangerous, Lewk believes he's bullshitting. That is why the rallies are not a big deal. Moreover, the people at those rallies aren't "his" tribe either. You must understand that some people's lives are just incredibly parochial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
If Covid isn't all that dangerous, Trump closing down travel from China ( except for more than 8,000 Chinese and foreign nationals based in those territories entered the U.S. in the first three months after the travel restrictions were imposed. Additionally, more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure.) was the wrong move as well, still Lewk praises him for it: "Trump was one of the first political leaders to actually act (China travel ban) in regards to Covid."Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
But, yeah, I can see where I'm going wrong with this, trying to distillate some sort of reasoning from this when rationality is nowhere to be found. Still ... it's just ... I can't ... you know, 10 years ago I thought Death Panels was the utmost bullshit die hard republican supporters would swallow, and now this. Gawd, I can't imagine being an actual Republican right now. It seems they either have to join the Clown Circus, or hide under a blanket hoping this will all go away soon. But that's me projecting being an actual human being upon these folks.
I should relate this to being a Bruins fan in a match against their arch rivals the Canadians. Any penalty on the Bruins is a ref fuck up, any missed penalty of the Canadians is proof the Bruins are always screwed over by the referees. But I can't. People don't die because of a hockey game. 200,000 people did because of Covid. And predictions are that number will be doubled come next year.
The scale of this just fucks me over. The usual shenanigans when it's economic and ideological matters, sure. The Iraq war caused what, 5,000 American casualties? This is just so much more severe. And also not half a world away, but on everyone's doorstep. Maybe that's just it. The scale fucks everyone over and makes it impossible to accept. Throw in some partisan bollockery, and here we are.
Sorry, I'm rambling on a bit, and could go on in this disjointed fashion for some pages, because the world now has actually gone completely bananapeanutbuttersandwich crazy while previously I was under the impression we got there 19 years ago. I was mistaken how deep the rabbithole actually could go.
As Hazir's signature once read: we've hit rockbottom, lets start digging!
I think you might enjoy reading Nicholas Epley's Mindwise :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
Big news: Cuban Americans honoured Trump with the Bay of Pigs award
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Ziggy, Lewk won't answer your questions any more than Republicans (who still support and enable Trump) will. Because they'd have to admit they don't really value human lives. Let alone religious freedom, equal justice, or Law & Order -- the things they call principles are just tools they use as campaign slogans. They care more about Power than people:
"Pro-Life" is just a trope they use to push for 'conservative' anti-abortion judges.
"Family Values" doesn't include immigrant or refugee children separated from their parents and kept in cages, or "lost" in the foster care system.
They don't want high quality Healthcare for everyone -- they want to get rid of Medicaid and Medicare, and repeal Obamacare. (Cull the herd?)
They're fine with demonizing Muslims or Atheists (even Catholic Christians who are Democrats).
And when it comes to systemic, racial inequalities and police brutality....they refuse to see the problems, but double-down on white grievances.
It's all very tribal and cultural. Remember the '08 post-election autopsy that concluded the (R) party was small and shrinking? Well, it looks like they've decided to embrace every racist, White Nationalist, right-wing militia, Deep State conspiracy theorist, and Q'anon supporter. With Trump as their Infallible Leader. I don't understand this degree of Cognitive Dissonance either, but I doubt Lewk can provide any insight.
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And yet no one is on record to confirm Trump said those things. Uh huh. You'd literally believe anything as long as it damages your political opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless