Can American conservatism survive intact & unadulterated?

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Originally Posted by GGT

The original constitution that only recognized and codified the rights of white male property owners? :rolleyes:

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The brilliance of the document is that it can be altered via the amendment process. But the idea that we should select judges to do an end run around that amendment process to deny things like people's freedom of speech is not cool.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

The brilliance of the document is that it can be altered via the amendment process. But the idea that we should select judges to do an end run around that amendment process to deny things like people's freedom of speech is not cool.

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You can't call the constitution a "brilliant" document because it's fluid and allows for amendments, and call for "originalism" at the same time. :bored:

Sure you can. The president shouldn't be taken to court, because he can be impeached. He shouldn't be impeached, because he can be taken to court.

shush, Lewk is tasked with explaining his ideas that don't make sense ;)

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Originally Posted by GGT

You can't call the constitution a "brilliant" document because it's fluid and allows for amendments, and call for "originalism" at the same time. :bored:

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Original as amended is perfectly reasonable. Amendments trump what they amended by definition and were permitted in the original documnt.

I don't like the system and am glad we don't have it, but I can understand its logic.

So judging from the latest WH briefing, conservatism in the DPRUS is now dead, and I have to ask anyone who still thinks of themselves as an American conservative to please review the ToS.

Absolutism made a return ?

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

push good judges through.

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:haha:

This is a rather dire view of things to come:

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-coming-collapse/

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It is deaf, dumb and blind to the very real economic suffering that plagues over half the country. It will not fight to pay workers a living wage. It will not defy the pharmaceutical and insurance industries to provide Medicare for all. It will not curb the voracious appetite of the military that is disemboweling the country and promoting the prosecution of futile and costly foreign wars. It will not restore our lost civil liberties, including the right to privacy, freedom from government surveillance, and due process. It will not get corporate and dark money out of politics. It will not demilitarize our police and reform a prison system that has 25 percent of the world’s prisoners although the United States has only 5 percent of the world’s population.

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That's the Democrats alright.

Clearly an expert in American politics.

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Originally Posted by Hazir

Absolutism made a return ?

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We now go live to an interview with American conservatism:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzRihXlXcAI8wRD.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

:haha:

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Mean! :mad:

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Originally Posted by Loki

Clearly an expert in American politics.

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I liked how it was practically a template piece for a Marxist. The military-industrial complex out to push a country into foreign adventurism, the coming authoritarian and autocratic crackdown on labor unions while simultaneously saying unions are one of the community measures which will be protect it from the approaching anarchy, the insistence that only worker wages and their spending is "the real economy". . .

The writer may be right about the potential for collapse and is certainly correct about a number of signs being congruent with a collapsing society (also congruent with troubled but non-collapsing societies, of course). But they could not resist adding the required generic Marxist talking points which just kills any chance to take him seriously.

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

I liked how it was practically a template piece for a Marxist. The military-industrial complex out to push a country into foreign adventurism, the coming authoritarian and autocratic crackdown on labor unions while simultaneously saying unions are one of the community measures which will be protect it from the approaching anarchy, the insistence that only worker wages and their spending is "the real economy". . .

The writer may be right about the potential for collapse and is certainly correct about a number of signs being congruent with a collapsing society (also congruent with troubled but non-collapsing societies, of course). But they could not resist adding the required generic Marxist talking points which just kills any chance to take him seriously.

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Yeah, the part about the military jumped out at me immediately. Maybe journalists should stick to reporting the news rather than coming up with half-baked analysis (unless they do their research, which this guy clearly did not).

Banana republic:

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Wild West "conservatism". Ride it like a cowboy! Yee haw! :donkey:

This is the type of dictator lewk wants. Nothing else matters as long as he gets to own the libs with unqualified judges.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...install-judges
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ncies-n1184886

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Originally Posted by Loki

Yeah, the part about the military jumped out at me immediately. Maybe journalists should stick to reporting the news rather than coming up with half-baked analysis (unless they do their research, which this guy clearly did not).

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Pray tell, do the CEOs keep this country running or is it ... the worker? It's almost funny if it weren't so tragic how the same underpaid people are now the ones keeping the show running. But hey, it's a-okay if your EMTs don't have health insurance themselves.

And that you guys begin a new war at the drop of a hat is nothing new either.

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Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro

Pray tell, do the CEOs keep this country running or is it ... the worker? It's almost funny if it weren't so tragic how the same underpaid people are now the ones keeping the show running. But hey, it's a-okay if your EMTs don't have health insurance themselves.

And that you guys begin a new war at the drop of a hat is nothing new either.

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Okay but mate come on that was a really dodgy rant. It was neither well-written nor well-reasoned.

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Originally Posted by Aimless

Okay but mate come on that was a really dodgy rant. It was neither well-written nor well-reasoned.

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It actually fares rather well in the face of other developments in the US: Increasing inequalities and their insistence on unfettered capitalism, aka competition. There's a number of studies on the latter and the resulting lack of empathy (aka: "Fuck you, I got mine!") Increased tribalism and antagonism do not bode well for the coherence of a nation.

Trump was not elected in a vacuum. He's a symptom.

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Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro

Pray tell, do the CEOs keep this country running or is it ... the worker? It's almost funny if it weren't so tragic how the same underpaid people are now the ones keeping the show running. But hey, it's a-okay if your EMTs don't have health insurance themselves.

And that you guys begin a new war at the drop of a hat is nothing new either.

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The obvious answer is both. The worker has no job without the CEO. And none of this is relevant to the half-baked analysis which is based on numerous seriously flawed assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Loki

The obvious answer is both. The worker has no job without the CEO.

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*11th century Loki*

You see, the serf has no land to work without his lord, so both are necessary.

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Originally Posted by Steely Glint

*11th century Loki*

You see, the serf has no land to work without his lord, so both are necessary.

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Go see how many burgers you can flip without the burger-flipping equipment or a salary.

Gen Z is marked by its entrepreneurial attitude that it's honed from their parents. I mean shit, we (and them) would rather work out of the back of a trailer slinging burgers than be under a CEO.

Been doing a lot of generational work these past few weeks while home.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Go see how many burgers you can flip without the burger-flipping equipment or a salary.

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*11th century Loki*

Go see how much wheat you can harvest with no land to plant it in.

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

Gen Z is marked by its entrepreneurial attitude that it's honed from their parents. I mean shit, we (and them) would rather work out of the back of a trailer slinging burgers than be under a CEO.

Been doing a lot of generational work these past few weeks while home.

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Well, I work in a field that requires tens of millions of dollars of investment just to get a product to market. Literally this week I received/purchased equipment and services worth northwards of $300k. So it's kinda hard to do that out of your garage.

The reality is that technological innovation has allowed certain enterprises to scale with demand, allowing for minimal capital requirements (though of course they do need a whole lot of third part corporate behemoths to provide the capacity). But many jobs still require a whole lot of capital to become viable businesses, and that doesn't grow on trees.

There's also simply not enough demand for everyone to be an entrepreneur. And places where nearly everyone works for themselves (think slums) aren't exactly economic paradises.

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Originally Posted by wiggin

But many jobs still require a whole lot of capital to become viable businesses, and that doesn't grow on trees.

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*nodding*

Yes, capital is summoned fully formed from the earth by the intrepid genius of plucky investors.

My point is that someone (actually a consortium of angel investors, corporate VC arms, and VCs) needed to put up the money. I can't just hang out my own shingle unless I'm already quite wealthy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV0yIW4X...g&name=900x900

Beyond creepy. These people are absolutely fucking gone in the head.