US Representative Shot in Arizona + Fantasies/Falsehoods about Dreadnt and Guns

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Originally Posted by GGT

You forgot that terms like "property rights" were code words for racism.

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Ergo anyone who believes in property rights is probably, deep down, a racist.

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Again, you're conflating things in your mind, and laying blame on me, erroneously. I've not supported Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, or the Community Reinvestment program. I've also not supported banks making huge money by doing this, then complaining that teh evil gummint told them to do so, and they had no choice.

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No, you just think that the government, which has shown time and time again to be incapable of making good, non disastrous decisions when it comes to finances, markets, and legislation will suddenly do an about face and produce something game changing, that fixes everything, has no unintended consequences, and makes the world a better place.

I'll err on the side of history and give them the credit they've earned.

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Originally Posted by Enoch the Red

Ergo anyone who believes in property rights is probably, deep down, a racist.

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No, not at all. But a new poster who uses terms like "state rights" or "property rights" should be vetted for possible racist beliefs. I don't think my questions were objectionable in any way. For all we knew, Enoch the Red was some fanatical fringe xenophobe, until proven otherwise.

Maybe you got a kick by posting under a new name, so we didn't know you were Ghost Enigma. I don't really know what your motivations were by making a new user-name, only you know that.

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Originally Posted by Enoch the Red

No, you just think that the government, which has shown time and time again to be incapable of making good, non disastrous decisions when it comes to finances, markets, and legislation will suddenly do an about face and produce something game changing, that fixes everything, has no unintended consequences, and makes the world a better place.

I'll err on the side of history and give them the credit they've earned.

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The about face will come from regular people who learn about the failures of Fannie and Freddie. It's not a stretch to say that most people didn't really know what FHA or HUD was doing, let alone how many private loans were being bought by FM's. They also had no idea what the private sector was doing, or getting away with, in liar loans or predatory lending. Country Wide and Mozilla should have been prosecuted back in '08, but they weren't. Shame on us.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

You're right, I offered to send it in good faith and you said you wouldn't believe me even if I sent it.

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You can post as much slander as you like Dread, it's not going to change the truth. I didn't bring this subject up again. You actually used your mod powers to make your slander an editorial "correction" when you altered the thread title, and I didn't pursue it because you were deadset on your whitewash. This got resurrected, you came after me, I didn't do anything beyond making a bland statement affirming myself in rebuttal to your attack and you're STILL lying about me and my actions. Tough shit for you, you can't actually erase our memories. Stop acting like such a petulant child.

The title is still a mess. I dislike Dread equating himself with what Representative Gabby Gifford endured.

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Originally Posted by Loki

So you're socially left-wing, fiscally left-wing, and want the government to regulate more. And that makes you centrist? Seriously? You're to the left of 2/3 of the Democratic Party.

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That's simply because the "center" is shifting ever-rightwards in the US; Reagan would be a Democrat teetering towards being left-leaning in today's climate FFS. You can just forget about Eisenhower et al, those guys would simply be nonviable for any sort of politics.

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Originally Posted by GGT

No, not at all. But a new poster who uses terms like "state rights" or "property rights" should be vetted for possible racist beliefs. I don't think my questions were objectionable in any way. For all we knew, Enoch the Red was some fanatical fringe xenophobe, until proven otherwise.

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In your mind, (the mind of a level headed, independent minded moderate) a new poster who talks about people owning that which they have earned, in a thread which had drifted to inheritance tax is likely a racist?

This, to you, is the line of thought of the moderate middle, a silent majority in the country? You think if I went into 95% of the country and let it be known that I believe people are deserving of the fruits of their labor, that their immediate thought would be, "This guy clearly has the makings of a racist."

You're still going to stick with the moderate independent centrist line?

Just for the record, states rights weren't brought up at all in that conversation, I never said property rights, and the term property rights does not have the connotations and baggage that you seem to think it has.

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Maybe you got a kick by posting under a new name, so we didn't know you were Ghost Enigma. I don't really know what your motivations were by making a new user-name, only you know that.

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It was thrilling... for the thirty minutes or so before I made my big reveal. Glorious.

And glod only knows what sick and twisted motivations somebody might have for changing their nick, eh Gonna Go There?

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

You actually used your mod powers to make your slander an editorial "correction" when you altered the thread title

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You might not realize this because I don't think you make threads very often, but when you're the thread creator that's an everyone power, not just a mod power.

For whatever it's worth, I remember Dread posting a picture of his girlfriend with some type of rifle too.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

If the described photos of me existed, why would I have this incredulous reaction?

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Oh come on >_<

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From the beginning I have said some people's memory was just incorrect. It's not like I'm denying something terrible. I'm just saying there is no boob-inflected photo of me with an assault rifle; that people's memories have gone hilariously fuzzy (no pun intended). Handgun becomes rifle. Man becomes busty woman.

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Like I said, it's a combination of two memories :)

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

I know, now it makes me think there are more thrilling photos I could have taken. :(

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Can't you just make one? :) Everybody will be happy!

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

You can post as much slander as you like Dread, it's not going to change the truth. I didn't bring this subject up again. You actually used your mod powers to make your slander an editorial "correction" when you altered the thread title, and I didn't pursue it because you were deadset on your whitewash. This got resurrected, you came after me, I didn't do anything beyond making a bland statement affirming myself in rebuttal to your attack and you're STILL lying about me and my actions. Tough shit for you, you can't actually erase our memories. Stop acting like such a petulant child.

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Originally Posted by Wraith

You might not realize this because I don't think you make threads very often, but when you're the thread creator that's an everyone power, not just a mod power.

For whatever it's worth, I remember Dread posting a picture of his girlfriend with some type of rifle too.

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Before I bang my head against the table at the apparent frailty of people's memories, I will just point out that Aimless has a point:

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Originally Posted by Aimless

Like I said, it's a combination of two memories :)

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There was a large-breasted woman that summer whose photo was posted, partially to show-off and partially to piss-off Sohaib.

It seems likely people are somehow getting that stuck in their head (although, once again, she wasn't holding a rifle and neither was I).

Large breasted women and rifles, eh? Well, here's a classic we can all enjoy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...n/idfgirls.jpg

This is the last thread where I remember the topic being brought up at any length, so I apologize if there's another, more relevant or recent thread.



Demons? Really?

Where are the widespread calls for civility again?

Who's the crazy woman and what were we talking about again?

Civility.

She's a vocal, influential, corrupt (allegedly), Congresswoman.

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Originally Posted by Enoch the Red

This is the last thread where I remember the topic being brought up at any length, so I apologize if there's another, more relevant or recent thread.



Demons? Really?

Where are the widespread calls for civility again?

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I'll still call for civility, from all sides. Unfortunately, the only way that will happen is if voters actually stopped liking​ this kind of language.

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Originally Posted by RandBlade

Civility.

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Well, that woman wasn't very.

Anyone who disagrees raise their hand.

The woman knows her time is short, she was called out last year for her line about the Tea Party needing to go to hell.

What makes you think her time is short? I'm not positive any ethics investigation is really going get her booted.

Um, her racist statements go back to at least the '90s. Didn't stop her from getting reelected and being a key leader of the Black Congressional Caucus.

Yep, it's not her mouth that will get her booted, and as I posted above, I doubt the ethics charges will go very far either...even if they prove she broke the law.

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (who is a friend of Gabrielle Giffords) is the appointed Democratic party TV attack dog of the 2012 election.

Incredibly, she has been going around loosely associating her friend's attempted murder by an insane person with the "tone" of the Republican party. Just waiting for someone to call her on this...

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

Incredibly, she has been going around loosely associating her friend's attempted murder by an insane person with the "tone" of the Republican party. Just waiting for someone to call her on this...

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Yeah, good luck with that, and so what if someone does? Not like it'll change anything or the kinds of rabid morons who elect her will suddenly see the light if their moronery is remarked upon once more.

<shrug>

Only solution is to nuke from orbit and let nature try to get it right in another few hundred million years.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Um, her racist statements go back to at least the '90s. Didn't stop her from getting reelected and being a key leader of the Black Congressional Caucus.

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Isn't being a racist a prerequisite for being a key leader of the Black Congressional Caucus?

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (who is a friend of Gabrielle Giffords) is the appointed Democratic party TV attack dog of the 2012 election.

Incredibly, she has been going around loosely associating her friend's attempted murder by an insane person with the "tone" of the Republican party. Just waiting for someone to call her on this...

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Just as soon as others call out the lunacy coming from the Republican party "attack dogs", too. We could start with the Birthers who are convinced Obama isn't our legitimate President because he's a Kenyan Muslim terrorist anti-white racist SSSocialist who's declared war on religion, and move our way into people (like Santorum) who believe Satan has targeted the US because we're such a great and exceptional nation.

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Originally Posted by GGT

Just as soon as others call out the lunacy coming from the Republican party "attack dogs", too. We could start with the Birthers who are convinced Obama isn't our legitimate President because he's a Kenyan Muslim terrorist anti-white racist SSSocialist who's declared war on religion, and move our way into people (like Santorum) who believe Satan has targeted the US because we're such a great and exceptional nation.

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Yeah, that's exactly the kind of blind justification, desultory rationalization, and moral equivalency I've come to expect.

Two wrongs have never looked so right.

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Originally Posted by GGT

Just as soon as others call out the lunacy coming from the Republican party "attack dogs", too. We could start with the Birthers who are convinced Obama isn't our legitimate President because he's a Kenyan Muslim terrorist anti-white racist SSSocialist who's declared war on religion, and move our way into people (like Santorum) who believe Satan has targeted the US because we're such a great and exceptional nation.

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Weren't you the one whining last week about how Republicans here need to come out and openly condemn the GOP policies they disagree with? Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Originally Posted by Enoch the Red

Yeah, that's exactly the kind of blind justification, desultory rationalization, and moral equivalency I've come to expect.

Two wrongs have never looked so right.

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Our political climate is full of lunacy (and TV "attack dogs"), from both parties and all sides. That's just the way it is, but that doesn't make it 'right'.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Weren't you the one whining last week about how Republicans here need to come out and openly condemn the GOP policies they disagree with? Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Sure, when it comes to policy. I'm not saying Wasserman-Schultz is 'right' in using inflammatory, divisive speech, or giving that a pass. Both sides do it, though, and we all know it. It's silly to single out R or D for that behavior, and that's how I replied to Dread. :bored:

You have a truly remarkable ability to never put together 2 consecutive posts on the same topic.

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Originally Posted by Loki

You have a truly remarkable ability to never put together 2 consecutive posts on the same topic.

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And you have a way of posting that's never really about the thread's topic....or even its semi-related tangents. I replied to Dread because his post had some content that caught my eye. Chiming in with your opinion on that content is one thing, but that's not what you're doing.