Some people never got over joining in the first place. It's rather heartless, I think, to demand or expect everyone to embrace leaving.
Consider this; if remain had won do you think those wanting to leave would give up their cause? Not a chance.
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Some people never got over joining in the first place. It's rather heartless, I think, to demand or expect everyone to embrace leaving.
Consider this; if remain had won do you think those wanting to leave would give up their cause? Not a chance.
Indeed but you'd probably laugh at the people driven mad by Remaining. Cameron laughed at the fruitcakes, nuts and loons - heck we continued to laugh at the ever more deranged carcass of UKIP after Brexit even.
So turnabout is fair play. Comedic Dave and others have been really driven mad by Brexit. To respond to the EU continuing its monthly Strasbourg circus, one of the most dysfunctional elements of the entire EU, by having a go at the UK who aren't even in the conversation? Completely delusional.
What makes you think I'd laugh at those wanting to leave? Genuinely interested why you think that.
Not all of those wanting to leave, just the crazy funny ones. You never laughed at Farage or the other cranks, nuts and loons when their stupidity became funny?
Hmm, I don't think so, no. Thing is I don't think they're stupid. I think they're smart and exceptionally good at delivering a persuasive argument to a certain type of person. A person, perhaps, who either lacks critical thinking skills or who simply wants to hear a certain thing. I find the psychology of it all quite interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Brexit continues:
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In case you haven't noticed we're in the middle of a pandemic and the border is closed due to lockdown. It is illegal to enter the country for tourism or other reasons, unless you have a good reason. Heck, bars, restaurants and much more are still shut indoors by law.
Also in case you haven't noticed virus rates in Spain and elsewhere are much, much higher than it is in the UK.
"Coming to see if you can find a job" during a pandemic when the border is closed is not allowed. Coming for work reasons is permitted, but looking for work is not a work reason. Last thing we need is hundreds of thousands of people coming from high virus prevalency areas on a fishing expedition to come to see if they can find a job. When the border restrictions are lifted post-pandemic and its legal to come for vacations and other reasons then that would be reasonable.
Surprising to see you object to Covid rules being applied. Oh wait, its about Britain, no its not.
Story now getting more attention (thread):
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Detained at immigration centres when other options available, phones confiscated, no legal advice, etc. Hopefully, they'll be able to get more help, moving forward, now that govts are aware of the situation.
As usual you're full of crap. Your government has corrected your border police. Apparently they were misinterpreting the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
I bet someone reminded the British government of the thousands of Brits who are staying within the EU with no legal status whatsoever.
Who cares about staying? Either way around, during a pandemic staying where you are is what you're supposed to do, not a problem.
Anyone coming from a high infection area to a low one without a good reason during a lockdown is a selfish git.
Your own government hasn't even tried to defend the detentions. So why do you?
Has anyone from the government apologised for turning around people who've come from high Covid areas without a reason during a pandemic lockdown?
Anyone criminally spreading Covid from a high Covid area to a low Covid area without any justifiable reason is a prick that could kill people or further lockdown. They deserve zero sympathy.
Post-Covid, do as they like. But during Covid? Selfish pricks.
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Originally Posted by Hazir
Reporting on this issue quite muddled atm... in some cases, police had probably misunderstood the rules as they applied to specific individuals, whereas, in other cases, visitors may have been inadvertently misled re. the rules by the airline they travelled with, combined with unclear info from the govt. Either way, the detention procedure was stupidly disproportionate and dangerous, and it's good that the HO was decisively pushed back on that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
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The shitheads who denied detainees their medicine should be fired. Out of a cannon.
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This is just a taste of how they've been treating brown non-EU migrants for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Typical hysterical nonsense from Foster.
Absolutely unquestionably of course Australia and NZ should get a zero tariff deal.
Those who wish to deliberately buy "British" meat can and will continue to do so. Those who don't care where their meat comes from will find cheaper Oz and NZ imports competing against EU imports, that's a good thing.
Is there any sector of the British economy you're not willing to slaughter on the altar of Brexit ?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
No.
Protectionism doesn't work. What possible reason is there to have zero tariffs on meat from 27 countries, but insist upon tariffs on meat from 2 more? Is it because you think the EU meat is uncompetitive shit while meat from downunder is much cheaper and better so will crowd out European crap?
Quite a few companies - from supermarkets, to McDonalds, to restaurants - choose to advertise themselves as using "100% British" meat, or "100% British and Irish" meat. If they want to continue to advertise with that, then zero tariffs won't make a scrap of difference. If they don't, then good quality cheap meat is a good thing.
Assuming you don't lower food standards, of course. And arguably the recent pandemic shows that international trade can be disrupted so you'll want to have enough agricultural production at home to be safe. But I don't think this would have that much impact. It will, of course, piss off a lot of farmers. How big is your agricultural sector?
Btw I do also support buying local from an environmental point, so I'm for example okay with paying a little more for something local, so those advertisements you mention as examples are quite helpful.
There are good arguments for—and legitimate concerns with—either approach, and some are discussed in the article as well as in the thread. I just thought it was interesting that ministers themselves were divided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Our agricultural sector is pretty tiny, as will be the impact of allowing more competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
"Food miles" are largely a myth anyway. The environmental impact of an efficient shipping container carrying a large volume of stock around the planet can end up as much less than the impact of a typical car being driven to the supermarket.
Just passed: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...ution/117/text
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(8) expresses support for the Northern Ireland Protocol and its full implementation, which ensures through international agreement that no “hard border” will be reintroduced on the island of Ireland
Irrelevant and meaningless fluff.
lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E12zthfW...pg&name=medium
Both claims factually wrong (as has been pointed out by multiple experts), but, more importantly, stupid and self-debasing. Par for the course for these grifters who subsist on the wounded pride of the historically illiterate
The UK joining the EEC and imposing protectionist tariffs on Aussie goods was seen as a major betrayal by Britain down under. Its good that as well as getting a great free trade agreement, as well as potentially getting great quality and cheap meat onto our supermarket shelves, that we can right this historic wrong post-Brexit.
Its funny to see the squealing by EU supporters terrified that protectionist barriers trying to keep out the rest of the world because Europe's not that competitive in some industries, those hypocritical grifters who were convinced that this wouldn't happen if we voted for Brexit despite it being campaigned on have the absolute temerity to suggest trade with Europe is great while trade with the rest of the world is horrendous.
Good riddance to protectionist bullshit. Don't let the hypocritical pro-Europe grifters stand in the way. :up:
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Probably gonna see similar stories coming out of similarly xenophobic northern/western EU member states.
Any civil servants working for the border force making such silly mistakes need training to ensure they do better.
However Hannan's quote was entirely correct, the status hasn't changed as settled status was granted, just overzealous officials made a stupid mistake. As happens all over the planet.
So it's bananas all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Before joining the EU our bananas could be as curved as we like. Then the tyrannical EU forced their rules on us about the curviness of our bananas!
Eh, you should really be able to see that the EU does not give a fig for you screwing over meat producing farmers in Scotland and Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Quite frankly I couldn't give a hairy crack of a rats arse about any whinging from farmers.
Protectionist bullshit doesn't work, that's what I voted to end. We had to have protectionist tariffs in Europe, we can end them now we're not in the EU anymore. Win.
And farmers voted for Brexit too by and large to que sera sera.
Oh well, enjoy your auto dafe.
I have no idea what that means sorry.
Yes, that's the second lie—the UK severed the relationship, by choosing to join what would become the EU, knowing full well what that would entail for their trade relationship with Australia. But the first lie is even more stupid—trade between UK and Australia wasn't tariff- & quota-free prior to the UK joining the EEC afaict.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
Quite amusing, following Britain's considerably better handling of Covid19 and the vaccine rollout than seen on the Continent, Boris now has a much higher approval rating in France than Macron does: https://www.lepoint.fr/debats/boris-...-2427491_2.php
51% of the French have a favourable opinion of Boris.
CPTPP member states have formally begun the accession process for the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...egin-accession
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-...ty-2021-06-02/
And another one. :up:
A trade deal reached with Norway, Iceland and Liechenstein that goes further than their agreement with the EU: https://news.sky.com/story/post-brex...firms-12324727
Liz Truss really is fantastic. Brexit is really working out great. :)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57347874
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In terms of their overall trade volumes, this deal is more significant for Norway and Iceland than it is for the UK.
But politically, it's really important for the post-Brexit British government to show that new trade deals are being done quickly. Even if - as the Norwegian side points out - it is less open than the previous relationship inside the same single market.
The new deal builds on the rollover agreement the UK signed before it left the EU's economic zone, and the government is keen to stress it includes important elements on digital trade which go beyond what the EU has.
But digital and data provisions are relatively new elements in free trade agreements, and it's still unclear how effective they are in the long term.
"At first sight, the deal looks cautiously ambitious," says trade expert David Henig from the European Centre for International Political Economy.
"In many fields, from climate change to SMEs [small businesses] to digital, it sets out some goals, without it being obvious that the underlying provisions will deliver them."
So, it's a decent start. But it's the implementation that counts.
2px presentational grey line
"Prior to the UK's exit from the EU, Norway enjoyed free movement of goods, services, capital and persons to the UK through the EEA agreement," Norway said.
"A free trade agreement will not provide similar access to the British market."
Don't ruin it :cry: :haha:
In other global Britain news, a good friend of mine has been recruited to work for the NHS in a fantastic position, after a multi-year process, and the HO is still fucking with him to the point where he doesn't know whether he'll be able to move as planned less than two months before he's supposed to start. This is a result of policy—not just regular bureaucratic incompetence. He's a highly educated and extremely skilled—and extremely white :o—professional recruited to a key position at one of the most important and most desperate employers in the country. The hostile environment principles suffuse every aspect of immigration to England.
Maybe you guys didn't pick up on it yet but Rand is being sarcastic now.
David Henig is the go-to anti-Brexit contrarian whenever discussions come up. So him saying that is both meaningless and completely expected.
As far as "replicating all the EEA did" like "the free movement of goods, service, capital and persons" there was no intention of replicating that.
But as for services, this deal goes further than the EU/EEA deal did on issues that matter to the UK economy. The elements that go further than the EU did, as quoted in that article, are elements that suit the UK very well thank you very much.
Kind of the whole point of Brexit. Drop the political crap we didn't need, get newer and better trade deals 2.0