Let's hope they have the same enthusiasm for the Russian report.
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Let's hope they have the same enthusiasm for the Russian report.
I am the one who wants this to be nasty because I don't want to pay for your stupidity? In that case count on me to be as nasty as possible.
There's no payments to be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Well certainly not the £350mn a week approximately gross that we were paying previously. Good luck figuring out a way to fill that black hole in your accounts, all for refusing to give Cameron a reasonable deal we could accept. Oh well.
1. I have no interest in your rationalizations for your stupid choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
2. The breaking up of the single market will cause economic damage, I want as little as that to be on our side. I care not a jot about how much damage it causes to you.
3. Your obsession with our budget is unhealthy. It's none of your business.
Hehe, the irony, the ECR fraction sacked all its British staffers on friday. Without notice and without ceremony. The water bearers of Brexit in the EP were booted out. Much to their shock they found out that their jobs were needed for Polish ECR supporters.
One day out and the hostility level is ramped up by the British side.
The British public have demonstrated consistently that they need and enemy to hate.
The government will exploit this massively this year. The EU will be demonised like never before.
You know that you're no longer inside the EU so that the old games don't work any longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
Those games will still work on the British public.
Saying we will set our own rules is not hostility it is a statement of the bloody obvious as to why we left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Canada and Australia don't need to be rule takers to get a deal. No reason why a bigger independent nation like us need to be either.
Sorry that you assumed we'd be your vassal. Dismissing such nonsense isn't hostility. Suggesting it is.
Oh I have no doubts about the outcome. I'm just surprised your government has chosen to get there while causing the most damage.
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Originally Posted by Hazir
Nothing strange. Johnson's govt. needs to manage expectations. Many people have come to expect CETA+ when it seems unlikely Johnson will even be able to deliver CETA-, even if he remains in power for a decade. The English public needs help persuading itself that it didn't want those grapes anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
Somewhere between CETA and Australia's deal is the ambition as it stands they're saying. Seems reasonable.
No need for any more LPF or regulations than Canada or Australia have signed up to then.
This is quite nonsensical. Australia is basically no deal at all; "somewhere between" that and CETA is a very broad range. The assumption that the same rules will apply is silly in any case. Completely different deal, completely different negotiations, completely different stakes. The UK has effectively undermined its own trustworthiness, and that coupled with its close geographical proximity to the EU makes it more likely for the EU to require stricter controls for similar levels of access as eg. CETA. Even if that weren't the case, the EU has to consider the potential impact on its other agreements - current and future.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
It's not the case and why would agreeing the same sort of deal already previously agreed set a concerning precedent for future deals? If we end up without a deal so be it but there's a precedent already we can live with.
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You lot are completely tone deaf. You saying something isn't needed doesn't make it so.
You are tone deaf if you think people choose to leave the EU to set their own regulations only to sign up to yours immediately :rolleyes:
I'd be surprised if even half of people who voted for brexit really care about trade regulations. It's just what they say when they're about to be exposed as nativist idi:ots, or humiliated by evil Brussels bureaucrats.
It doesn't matter. The UK government is led by those who really care while the party of those who are nativist idiots stood down at the election because they had no chance. Time to accept reality and move on, the UK is not going to be a vassal the sooner you can accept reality the sooner a mutually beneficial agreement can be reached.
Guardian version of the FT's story in my post last night, so no paywall. Project Fear? :haha: https://www.theguardian.com/business...e_iOSApp_Other
And this is relevant to us how? Are you the USA? Are you China?
The Nissan story doesn't mean any sort of Brexit success. It just means that Nissan will produce for the EU market in Japan. Those same cars could have been coming from the UK. It just means a cut back production for a local market.
No we aren't the USA or China. We are your number one goods export market and one of the worlds largest independent markets.
So? Like we are afraid of anything you could do. Before we would start to feel a full out trade war your economy would have collapsed. De Pfeffel talks like a bully, but given the difference in size he’s just making a fool of himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Until you realise size doesn't matter you're not going to grasp this are you?
In trade negotiations size is the only thing that matters. Which means that your are losing the fight for merely talking too tough. Your currency went down significantly once De Pfeffel started to impersonate a bully.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
You know, usually I would say don’t kick an opponent when he’s already down. But you, Randblade, deserve everything that will come at you. You callously voted in the referendum and have since supported the lies and liars that brought Brexit about with fervor. But ‘Before Brexit’ is over, and you’re no longer dealing with an opponent entangled in your system of government. If thé gloves really come off we will beat you to a bloody pulp and make you say thank you for the effort.
We aren’t interested in your friendship or well wishes, you are too insignificant for being anything but a supplicant. If not to us then to the USA or China, or India for that matter. Your protestations of equality are ridiculous.
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A fair observation.
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Worrying behaviour from No. 10.
What's "project fear"?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Can you define it? Who's running the project?
Are you suggesting fear wasn't a tool used by the leave side?
Andrew Sparrow in that well-known Boris-sycophant rag The Guardian puts it differently:Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
[A No 10 source] pointed out that the Guardian was invited to today’s briefing, as well as the Times, the BBC, ITV and Sky. He also said that there were selective lobby briefings when Theresa May was PM.
In fact, the practice goes back much further than that. Years ago I wrote a history of the lobby, and this was even happening in the 1960s, when the term “white commonwealth” was used to describe those journalists favoured by Harold Wilson who were given special access during his premiership.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eech-live-news
I'm not sure what your point is. It doesn't seem normal because:
Among those who refused the briefing and walked out included the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg, ITV’s Robert Peston and political journalists from the Daily Mail, Telegraph, Sun, Financial Times, and Guardian.
Even the well known Boris supporting shit rag, the Telegraph, walked out.
"The Lobby" tends to stick together and act like a cartel at times, but when you've got a Boris supporting shit rag Guardian journalist saying this has happened for decades that puts a different light on it.
"The Lobby" were unhappy last week when they asked the PM's spokesman to get one journalist to stop live-Tweeting the briefing the Lobby were getting at the time, which was apparently against the rules, only to be told that was not a rule from number 10 it was a self-imposed Lobby rule and Number 10 had no issue with live-Tweeting and it wasn't for Number 10 to tell journalists how to do their job.