If they go ahead and send GOP electors to the Electoral College, you can kiss democracy goodbye, even if Biden ends up president on Jan. 20.
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If they go ahead and send GOP electors to the Electoral College, you can kiss democracy goodbye, even if Biden ends up president on Jan. 20.
Told you not to jinx it but would you listen, noooooo
Not going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Enough GOP Senators respect democracy to reject any attempts of override electors. Romney, Sasse and Collins plus Democrats would be able to vote down dodgy electors. This is darkly dangerous but also futile and impotent, there isn't a chance of it succeeding but it is terrible they're trying. Too many are humouring Trump.
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Originally Posted by Aimless
Not convinced there are enough GOP senators who'd defy Trump on this. Romney, probably. Everyone else? Unlikely, regardless of what they claim nw.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Sasse and Collins have already congratulated Biden for winning the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
That doesn't indicate a willingness to use their authority as senators to try to prevent Trump from stealing the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
What are you on about? What exactly do you propose the senate do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Individual GOP senators can unequivocally state that, in the event of conflicts arising from a refusal to certify election results, they would accept the EC slate that corresponds to the results of the popular vote in each state. Individual GOP senators can also reach out to Dems and indicate that they would support impeachment in the short time available, which would be more than justified based on Trump's actions in just these past few weeks. Individual GOP senators can also speak, in the Senate, about the danger posed by all this authoritarian asshattery, and call on other members of the party to also unequivocally announce that they accept the election results, condemn Trump's repugnant behavior, and demand that the transition not be held up a day longer. Senate control matters, and senators have power; the question is whether or not they also have spines. It's likely most GOP senators genuinely are gutless cretins who, like you, prefer to pretend there's nothing they can do. The reality is that there is plenty they can do to influence what's happening right now in your shithole country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Impeachment for filling a law suit? Y'all really are impeachment happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
It would actually be pretty absurd and an absolute violation of the constitutional balance of power for the Senate to try to interfere in an individual state's vote counting and certifying.
He's attacking our democracy. Don't try to pretend that he just filed a lawsuit. I'm still pushing for treason charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
You know this is not ‘filing a lawsuit’. What Trump is attempting is disqualification of the American voter as the ultimate arbiter of who is in charge. You can save yourself any pedantic lessons how America really isn’t a democracy but a republic. The people who set up that system had every intention of keeping the ship of state in a safe pair of hands. It wasn’t set up to hand the wheel to a populist devoid of any shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
It’s shocking how you are willing to destroy your country just because the man who leads the charge pisses off liberals.
"The Washington Post contacted all 53 Republican U.S. senators for comments on the president’s efforts to overturn the election results, including his invitation to Michigan’s GOP legislative leaders to a meeting Friday as he tries to block the state from certifying Biden’s victory with a margin of about 150,000 votes there.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Fewer than 10 senators’ offices responded. Of those, most declined to comment or referred to previous remarks — in some cases remarks that predated Trump’s actions this week, including his call to a county canvassing board member in Michigan.
Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Mitt Romney of Utah and Ben Sasse of Nebraska, each of whom has been critical of Trump in the past, were the only Republicans to tackle the president’s actions head-on."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...bc9_story.html
Given Collins's history of backing off at the last second, the most you can count on is 1-2.
Collins, Romney and Sasse would be enough though I expect more would value democracy over Trump if push came to shove.
If the Democrats can win either GA race that would improve things too since the vote would be after their inauguration I believe.
We both know you're a very, very stupid man, and it's borderline painful to see you keep trying to pretend you aren't. Trump would be impeached for attacking—through lies, ridiculously frivolous lawsuits, and corrupt efforts to influence officials—the US electoral system, by trying to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters who legally cast votes against him, after he did everything in his power to prevent their votes from being delivered and processed on time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
That is nonsense; there would be no violation of any constitutional principles for senators to publicly confirm the winner of the election, condemn Trump's attacks on the integrity of the vote, and assure the public that they intend to vote to confirm the votes of the slate of electors that correspond to the winner of the popular vote in each state, in the event that a state sends more than one slate of electors. For an example of an attempted "violation of the constitutional balance of power"—as well as basic principles of ethical governance—see Graham's despicable attempts to persuade Republican state officials to toss out legal votes, or Trump's successful obstruction of certification by swaying key officials, or the clearly stated intention to try to get SCOTUS to overturn the will of state courts and legislatures.Quote:
It would actually be pretty absurd and an absolute violation of the constitutional balance of power for the Senate to try to interfere in an individual state's vote counting and certifying.
The Democrats aren't going to magically turn things around in Congress based on Georgia. Look at how they've performed elsewhere. This election ended up being a (relatively narrow) rejection of Trump but not of the Republican Party. Warnock probably has the better chance and if it were that race alone there'd maybe be a possibility of Loeffler losing but since people will be voting for Perdue at the same time. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Yikes, that ruling... ouch.
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Dismissed with prejudice, which, though it is ordinarily something Trump likes, is not good for him this time around.
I don't know how American conservatism can ever bounce back from this:
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Best hope is that a lot of Trumpists stay at home either because they think their vote will be stolen or because they believe the GOP betrayed Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-tru...unoffs-1549245
One can hope (but I doubt it'll actually happen).
You can tell these people are concerned with the Democratic process instead of throwing a hissy fit for having lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Someone has been SherlockingQuote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
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By my count the number of GOP Senators to recognise Biden as POTUS elect and telling Trump to get on with transition is now up to 8 already.
The idea that Trump can convince a majority of the Senate to reject Biden's electors and get them to agree to his instead has to be one of the most farcical ideas in this whole farce yet.
Are these the same senators who criticized Trump's actions on Twitter but then couldn't bring themselves to vote to remove him from power?
Not voting to impeach (especially given the supermajority needed) is completely different than voting to abolish democracy and impose electors who override the ones chosen by the voters.
I think you've forgotten all the unconstitutional stuff Trump did before this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
It doesn't matter. It never reached the threshold of hitting a supermajority in the Senate and even Pelosi knew that full well. Had it not been for the fact they wanted to demolish the Hunter Biden myth he was trying to create before the election then they wouldn't have pulled the trigger on impeachment as they knew it was futile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
A coup to destroy democracy is completely different. To do that would murder American democracy and make Nixon seem like Honest Abe.
It is over. Trump lost. The Senators know that.
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Clear and unambiguous.
The dam is breaking, the floodgates are opening. Murkowski wasn't a surprise but this one wasn't on my list of eight earlier. The Senators are making it abundantly clear now and telling Trump it is over. Good riddance.
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This guy's such a dumb fucking butthead (I think that's the academic term??)
I guess he doesn't support the greatness of American colleges?
Would he prefer uneducated picks with a weak resume?
Buried under the pile of Rubio BS, there is a decent point there. Biden's picks on foreign policy are taken very firmly from the mainstream center left of the longstanding consensus in elite American policy circles wrt foreign policy. I expect his other picks for advisors will be similarly uncontroversial on domestic policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
While this is very comforting to many people (including yours truly), someone who is deeply concerned about the status quo may feel that new thinking and questioning of our basic assumptions is in order. The answer doesn't need to be a Trumpian (or Rubio-an) rejection of expertise in general in favor of uninformed policy by the seat of one's pants. It could instead be the recruitment of well informed but contrarian thinkers who are willing to ruffle some feathers to create a meaningful change. This isn't an entirely awful idea for any number of parts of American policy.
He's trying to score populist points, hoping nobody thinks too carefully about who it was that accelerated America's decline by a couple of decades in just a few years. It's just kinda dumb to be huffing about the "caretakers of America's decline" when one is one of the enthusiastic drivers of America's decline. I am certain that, had a mainstream Republican candidate won the 2016 election and nominated some of these people, Rubio wouldn't have shown even the faintest hint of concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Sure, but the way her presents it as if having a goed resume is a bad thing..Quote:
Originally Posted by wiggin
I didn't check his picks by the way so not much substantial to add. But if he picked someone to make meaningful change and ruffle feathers.. I am sure Rubio would gave a bigger problem with that. And Biden's election is heavily based on a return to normalcy*, plus having a lonely Republican controlled Senate, I'm not sure if appointing reformers would be a viable alternative.
* arguably the current state is the best moment to shake things up in a good way. But again, hostile Senate needs to approve these picks..
The implication is that people with such backgrounds are sheltered from the negative impact the US's (indeed, the world's) dependence on China has had on regular Americans. They're "let them learn code" coastal elites and deluded ivory tower academics and self-serving aristocrats, who simply cannot understand the suffering of working class Americans and can therefore not be counted on to safeguard the interests of that silent and unjustly oppressed majority. They will benefit from America's decline, carving up Joe the plumber's once-impressive but now emaciated body and selling it piece by piece to their foreign overlords in the East.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
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comrade rubio
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ns-ncna1248748
Of course that comes from a liberal who was the chief ethics lawyer for... famously left wing president George W. Bush.Quote:
As we documented in an October report issued under the auspices of the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, the use of public investigatory powers for partisan political purposes has been a hallmark of the current administration, as demonstrated by William Barr’s Department of Justice. If our norms have become so distorted that the investigative powers of the Senate are similarly available for misuse, our country is experiencing a rule-of-law crisis of the first order.
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Graham did not succeed in his apparent attempt to disenfranchise thousands of Georgians in the November 2020 election. But if the Georgia secretary of state or his staffer had had less integrity, Graham might have prevailed. Such misconduct on the part of a sitting senator is an embarrassment to the Senate and a threat to our democracy, one that must be addressed in a full assessment of U.S. election security in the new administration. Graham’s actions should be clearly identified and vociferously rejected by his fellow senators, as well as by the Biden administration. They should make clear that interference with the counting or certification of votes is conduct unbecoming of a senator and will not be tolerated.
That wouldn't be sporting, by the standards of the game of death-lacrosse that is US politics.
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Stop, this is destrcoictive
American conservatives are stupid, and it's not surprising that this clown had to create his own board in order to get certified.
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