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Although now that you mention it, putting aside the "man in the bushes" and violent fatal gang-rapes, youths these days often seem to have deplorably cynical views on rape. Of course those situations are generally different from violent fatal gang-rapes, just an observation
Possibly not, what are you actually trying to say/argue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
You and Khen are good at not saying things.
LOL - lets see if GGT will comment about how globalization is to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I was waiting for you to add a link about the Montana teacher convicted of raping a 14 year old student (she later committed suicide)....and the judge gave him a 30 day jail sentence. Isn't that also disgusting? :popcorn:
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Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
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Originally Posted by Aimless
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Originally Posted by Aimless
It's, like, right up thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Absolutely! 30 days for RAPE is disgusting. A minor cannot consent to sex acts and he should of gone to prison for life. In a lot of circles however its the liberals who are in favor of lowering the age of consent... As I recall it was the liberals on the board who didn't want Roman Polanski punished for his crimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
EDIT: Not to mention the enabling way liberals want minors to be able to get abortions without parent consent, effectively covering up cases of statuary rape.
I don't see how abortions cover up statutory rape any more than regular abortions cover up rape? If a child goes to a hospital to get an abortion then the Police and doctors should be able to investigate but that doesn't require parental consent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Yeah, but they won't tell the parents that the child was raped
Can't figure which is worse in terms of magnitude, a small number of adolescents having their rapes covered up or a much larger number of adolescents being forced to go through with unwanted pregnancies.
There are provisions in the laws of several (most?) states for the reporting of anything suspected to constitute child sexual abuse.
I'm not sure it would be one or the other, but I have not had coffee yet.
I don't see why not. If the Police find out there's a rape then they should have a duty to tell/investigate the parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Doesn't mean the parents should have any say whatsoever in an abortion of course as that's neither here nor there. It should be pretty simple to devise a system whereby suspected child abuse is investigated AND the child can have an abortion without parental consent. There is no relation between one and the other.
Besides it was my uninformed opinion that medical staff had a legal duty to inform the Police if they thought that a crime (including Statutory Rape) has been commited. Certainly seen a large number of both hospital-based and law-based American TV dramas where that is always the case. Like Law & Order: SVU and House etc.
Lewk seems to think that Statutory Rape ought to be investigated by the parents and somehow involving a foetus and not by the Police which is just bizarre.
Careful Rand our you will be lumped in as a Soldier in the War Against Women!
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Liberals in America want 14 year old girls to be able to have an abortion without their parents ever finding out - no questions asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
You know that depends on a state's laws, Lewk. :rolleyes:
Do you think the state should require sexually active 14 yr olds to have parental consent for birth control?
Really? Like, it'll be forbidden to give them abortions after asking questions? :bulb: Really really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
So?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
I'd like to see a source on that. Again I believe the medical staff are obliged to inform the Police in the event of Stat Rape and I don't believe American Liberals want to overturn that.Quote:
no questions asked.
Laws vary from state to state and the duty to report varies from case to case. There's usually only a duty to report in cases where there is reason to suspect violence and abuse; age-difference alone doesn't necessary suffice.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Statutory Rape is by definition child abuse.
Consensual 15-15 relationships aren't stat rape AFAIK.
Any source on the notion that Liberals want to overturn duty to report [to the Police not parents] laws though?
Its interesting to see you mention 15-15, but most states have hard lines on sexual relations between students in the same school, as low as a single year (which could mean birthdays only days apart). Delaware (10 years prison), Georgia (20 years), Michigan (15 years), Oregon (5 years) if 16 for the victim, Idaho sets the age at 18 for the victim (up to life in prison); all these take no consideration on how old the other party is.
The list gets even crazier when you look into which states restrict relationships based on the age difference of 2 years.
I'm assuming Lewk is taking the position of people with sense being against these types of laws (and punishments) and twisting it in his fucked up mind to think those people are against reporting possible abuse.
Wrt the duty to report it as such I believe it is or was until fairly recently about 50-50 in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
They'd need evidence of that first.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Several states have 0 parental notification about minors getting an abortion. And lol if you think planned parenthood is going to volunteer anything to anyone.
Do you have proof that Planned Parenthood violates any State reporting laws? :donkey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Please answer my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
http://www.liveaction.org/planned-pa...iolations-map/Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
I'm sure you'll say the site is biased but you can research each on one on your own. And that's just the one's reported. Keep in mind that Planned Parenthood AND the minor both have an incentive to be quiet so its likely that they get away with it thousands of times.
As far as birth control - I'm on the fence in some ways. Birth Control isn't as invasive like abortion however it can lead to death and really parents should know when their kids are taking body altering drugs. I'm sure you would be OK for parental notification of hydrocodone but I have a feeling you are really against notification of birth control. But now we are talking about consent and notification - I'm talking specifically about notification.
On a broader scale - how much control should parent's have over children's lives? Children are the legal and ethical responsibility of their parents. If a child defaces property the parent has to pay for it. If the child wishes to go out to a party the parent has the right to restrict that child's freedom to go. At what age can a child stop having to obey their parents?
Example - At the age of 5 if a child wishes to go outside to play a parent can say no and enforce their decree. At 14 can a parent physically restrain a child from going outside and getting a ride to a party? Depending on how you answer will depend on you view the issue of parents taking an active role in preventing their children from having sex and being abused via statutory rape.
Out of those pins only 2 point to the failure of an individual worker in their duty to report or get concent on an underage abortion (of those one was reported 6 months later). Most of those pins are either setups, like the highly edited over the top one that brought so much attention to planned parenthood a few years back, or fishy conversations concerning funding drives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
A nationwide service that helps millions of women and you brought up 2 examples of poor handling, and you're using that to claim "that they get away with it thousands of times." :bulb:
More than 2 and furthermore the incentives are for the child getting the abortion and Planned Parenthood to not tell the parents. And sting operations handled by police or reporters are one of the best ways to learn if maleficence is occurring due to the aforementioned incentives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_827886.html
What's more, liveaction does not consider the larger number of incidents that ARE reported appropriately.