Can't believe I've let so much of my time be wasted by a grown man's inability to understand the difference between irrationality and stupidity. Mate, you need to get a handle on this hammer-nail issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
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Can't believe I've let so much of my time be wasted by a grown man's inability to understand the difference between irrationality and stupidity. Mate, you need to get a handle on this hammer-nail issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
It's like Uno—some people wanna win, while others just wanna make their enemy draw two cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
There is very little irrational about wanting to break a system that doesn't deliver for you at all, and hasn't for generations. That's the thing you don't want to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
You keep harping on about how these people need to be smarter and stop following pied pipers. To most of them that just sounds as being served a fresh portion of shit. And they rather see other people's lives go to dust now than wait for another generation or two of a possible fair deal. If you don't have anything, burning the place down isn't gonna hurt all that much.
I don't know how many more rounds of you shadowboxing against yourself it'll take before you understand that you're talking about a contingent of voters that I'm not addressing at all. You're quite literally arguing against a figment of your imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
And—I might add—you've also misunderstood the point I just made about you confusing irrationality with stupidity. I don't disagree that it may be rational for a person to believe that the system hasn't delivered what they wanted/expected/deserved/needed/whatever, and that the system should (or may as well) be torn down. Rational though that may be, it may also be extremely stupid—and their support for the persecution and abuse of other vulnerable groups may, nevertheless, be both stupid and morally repugnant. The candidates—malevolent grifters the lot of them—may indeed be acting rationally given their (presumed) personal goals; they are nevertheless also being stupid—as are their financial backers—not to mention morally repugnant. Wanting to destroy the lives of innocent human beings is stupid and repugnant, Hazir, even when it can be rational from the perspective of eg. a repugnant idiot.
That said, many of the electorally irrelevant fringe kooks you're harping on about are also irrational, to the point of being delusional—as we've seen in a number of QAnon-related incidents over the past few years. It's misguided to try to tackle cults and delusions as a matter of conventional politics. The mechanisms are different, they require different analytical tools/approaches and interventions.
And that's why they love politicians who go after trans people and immigrants even as they try to privatize pensions and stop increases in wages. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
You're also ignoring the fact that a substantial portion of the GOP base have above average incomes. Many are local elites.
And you know that those above average earning Republicans are not enough to get people like Trump or Trump wannabes to get elected.
Maybe Democrats should refuse to vote for candidates of the type of Biden. Just throw the whole thing at the Republicans until they get the message. What America needs is more than a choice between getting screwed by brazen frauds and getting screwed by sanctimonious liberals.
It's telling that the only thing uniting GOP congressmen is an investigation of Hinter Biden: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...down-so-be-it/
And you clearly have no understanding of how American politics works. Poor Republicans aren't Republicans because they hate capitalism; they're Republicans because they hate African Americans, immigrants, LGBT, city dwellers, etc. There's a reason Republican politicians aren't out there campaigning on higher wager and a stronger safety net.
This is how Republicans are improving the lives of their voters: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/23/u...-desantis.html
The rich liberal transgender elites brought it upon themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
In more positive news: https://boltsmag.org/iowa-warren-cou...ection-denier/
Vivek blaming the US for the Nord Stream bombing: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ra...eam-pipelines/
He's basically the candidate for Americans who want to vote for Putin, but can't because he's not in the ballot.
Dumbest motherfuckers contest.Quote:
But I will require something even greater in return, Jesse. Russia has to exit its military alliance with China. Right now, we’re pushing Russia further into China’s hands.”
Do you think it was Ukraine who bombed Nord Stream?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Another Republican thought leader gladly fondling Nazi balls:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5B33byW...jpg&name=small
In case you had any doubts, Nazis are very happy abt this.
I'd say 60% chance it was Ukraine, 40% it was Russia. Blaming the US, while running for US president, would get one disqualified in every election before 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
The law and order party:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/u...s-pardons.htmlQuote:
At least two Republican presidential candidates are criticizing as excessive recent prison sentences for members of the far-right Proud Boys involved in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, casting the defendants as victims of an unfair justice system rather than leading participants in an effort to disrupt the peaceful transition of power.
https://droptheadl.org/the-adl-is-not-an-ally/Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Kinda horse-shoey?
Mostly a load of crap. Distortions and outright falsehoods among some truths, all of which center around one thing: Palestine. It's a hit-piece because the ADL is (unsurprisingly) not anti-Israel and doesn't have that knee-jerk reflexive "free Palestine" attitude which is considered a requirement in a number of progressive circles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Lewk, everything political is ultimately horsee-shoey, it all depends on perspective and axis of approach.
The ADL tries too hard to be non-partisan, which means tolerating dog whistles on the right. It's pretty reflexively pro-Israel, though not as much as some of the other organizations out there.
They are pretty partisan. I don't believe they ever called Al Sharpton to account for his actions for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
It's amazing how badly this is going, and how likely Trump-Biden 2024 is going to be our hellish reality.
I don't think people appreciate how much governance is done (or advised by) appointed officials. And the ones appointed by Trump were disastrously incompetent and/or corrupt. His new ones are likely to be worse. So I really don't care about how well Biden will function because he'll be surrounded by competent people, and not a bunch of anti-vaxxers, white supremacists, wannabe autocrats, and certified nutjobs. That's not to mention Trump getting to appoint dozens of incompetent (ideology aside) judges. You really are equating murder with littering here. I expected better.
It's fun to watch a Dutch and a Swede debate the state of American politics Two guys walk into a bar.....
But you know it's bad when even Republicans hate their own party, yet think it can still be saved. See Romney. There's all sorts of commentary about what it means to be a Republican, but it's mostly noise -- meant to distract voters from seeing that the GOP has decided they'd rather Rule than Represent. And they're good at exploiting the constitution, with its flaws and loopholes, to hang onto power.
They're also very good at marketing and propaganda, manipulating words like Freeedom and SSSocialism to "own the Libs". Gotta keep voters in their tribal, fearful silos, and Never Back Down (DeSantis's motto). This has been going on for decades, pre-dating Trump. Maybe it's not that the (R) base is ignorant or stupid, or that they're being hoodwinked by The Big Lie or the Great Grift, but that they truly *want* White Christian Nationalism and Tyranny of the minority?
This is how Republicans appeal to the working class: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-cut-spending/
This worked out swell with Reagan. Although I will concede that Biden isn't listening to known astrologers, so far as we know, on matters of global thermo-nuclear warfare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Reagan delivered what he promised. Whether that's good or not depends on how much you hate taxes and gay people.
Anyone watching the 2nd debate?
Ron had a better night so far, Scott and Haley were entertaining with their spat, Vivek did ok, but he did better being fiery in the first debate and the "lets play nice, these are all good people' diminishes his ability to breakout. Pence was zzz and the ND guy seemed good, but I just don't see him having any shot.
Edit: Also moderators really dropped the ball in enforcing the rules, that was a bit of a mess.
Glad to see you show so much interest in their policy differences.
Hah, do you think we were going to get some new policy info from watching the debates? These are about showmanship, poise and optics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Minutes away from one of the architects of the plot to cancel 2020 election results becoming Speaker.