So... what happens when you die?

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Originally Posted by GGT

Good for you? You're happy with a ban from a retarded dying forum, but you can't/won't/don't engage in discussion about anything more serious than your on-line image and persona in our new forum. Got it. :coffee:

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What the fuck, geegee? I actually have.

Are you two done with your little reach around?

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Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

What the fuck, geegee? I actually have.

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You have actually done What?

I'm not seeing any serious posts you've made here. Feel free to give me a link.

Don't misconstrue tho, this forum is great for whatever we want. If you want to be here just for laughs and giggles, or sexual innuendo, then go for it.

Just don't expect to be taken seriously in a serious thread.

Apparently, not.

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Originally Posted by Bitter Jeweler

Apparently, not.

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Just for you, sunshine, I am. :kiss:

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

They're bending over backwards to show they are so atheist the idea of what happens to your mind just never occurred to them. Kids. :roll:

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Trollin' like it's 2006 :coffee:

if a person strongly believes in God and lives life by the Bible, then the person is going to Heaven.

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Originally Posted by Bitter Jeweler

Are you two done with your little reach around?

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Probably. I'll just continue to post my opinions, even when it's not the popular thing to do.

While I'd like to be considered a like-able and relatively intelligent person, I may buck the clique's set standards by challenging Lolli.

You mamby pamby boys seem incapable of calling any woman out to defend her point of view.

Frankly, Lolli and I get along just fine, just don't call us Shirley.

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Originally Posted by RazorBullet

if a person strongly believes in God and lives life by the Bible, then the person is going to Heaven.

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Unless there is no God, or the equal possibility, in regards to the Christian Afterlife, of any of a few thousand proposed mystical afterlives...

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Originally Posted by RazorBullet

if a person strongly believes in God and lives life by the Bible, then the person is going to Heaven.

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Even if they commit SUICIDE?

...by the Bible, eh. Which parts exactly?

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Originally Posted by Bitter Jeweler

Even if they commit SUICIDE?

...by the Bible, eh. Which parts exactly?

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I, merely do not know, as I seem to not quite grasp the preachery of the Bible.

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Originally Posted by GGT

Probably. I'll just continue to post my opinions, even when it's not the popular thing to do.

While I'd like to be considered a like-able and relatively intelligent person, I may buck the clique's set standards by challenging Lolli.

You mamby pamby boys seem incapable of calling any woman out to defend her point of view.

Frankly, Lolli and I get along just fine, just don't call us Shirley.

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I'm Shirley. :huh:

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Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

What the fuck, geegee? I actually have.

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Originally Posted by Bitter Jeweler

Are you two done with your little reach around?

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Originally Posted by GGT

You have actually done What?

I'm not seeing any serious posts you've made here. Feel free to give me a link.

Don't misconstrue tho, this forum is great for whatever we want. If you want to be here just for laughs and giggles, or sexual innuendo, then go for it.

Just don't expect to be taken seriously in a serious thread.

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Originally Posted by Bitter Jeweler

Apparently, not.

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Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

Just for you, sunshine, I am. :kiss:

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#1. YAY for MULTI-QUOTE!

#2. It ain't over 'til its OVER bitches!

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Originally Posted by Nessus

Trollin' like it's 2006 :coffee:

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I'm pretty sure I wasn't around in '06. I'm also pretty sure I can't remember if I was. Also, its not trolling, its an observation of behavior and I think its accurate. Monkey Man.

Whoa, the new emoticons SUCK. :|

Wait... no, its just there's no pick list. :x

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Originally Posted by RazorBullet

if a person strongly believes in God and lives life by the Bible, then the person is going to Heaven.

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Uh, unless there's no god and the whole bible thing is bullshit. What about then? HUH? WHAT ABOUT IT?!?!?!

you looking at me? You saying that I did something wrong? Not very nice, I admit, but not at all as bad as I could've been. Yes I forgot Dread was still a moderator. Yes I received a WL from him. Yes I apologized and promised no more nuisance thread bumps. Messing with Timmy's so-called 'groove' was my intent. Childish, sure. Fun, not as much as I hoped. Wrong, nope.

I'm a Christian, so I believe in Heaven and Hell.

no need for a long post woo

test for nessie

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Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

test for nessie

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You are a whore

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Originally Posted by Nessus

You are a whore

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Gee, I've never heard that before.

I to believe in the bible as being the truth. I'm also a Christian, though sometimes it doesn't show. When you die, you will either end up in Heaven or Hell.

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Originally Posted by Weber

I to believe in the bible as being the truth. I'm also a Christian, though sometimes it doesn't show. When you die, you will either end up in Heaven or Hell.

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How do you reconcile conflicting information while believing in the Bible as being the truth?

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Originally Posted by Supermarioman

I'm a Christian, so I believe in Heaven and Hell.

no need for a long post woo

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You believe in Hell? What's god like, then? Is he too weak to eradicate Satan? Is he so hateful that he'd imprison a human being's soul in Hell for eternal torture for mistakes they made in life? Is he so unforgiving and without compassion that he'd condemn all of Adam and Eve's descendants to exist as flawed creatures, subject to temptation from Satan and without any direct proof of God's existance, and when they sinned condemn them forever to hell? This is a fucked up god my friend. Very fucked up.

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Originally Posted by Nessus

You are a whore

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Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

Gee, I've never heard that before.

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Wow. What's this emoticon look like: :? or this one :D

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Originally Posted by Weber

I to believe in the bible as being the truth. I'm also a Christian, though sometimes it doesn't show. When you die, you will either end up in Heaven or Hell.

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Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

How do you reconcile conflicting information while believing in the Bible as being the truth?

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Wow, the noobs are freaking me out. What's this look like: :p or this :&

No God can't just defeat Satan. He is bound by the law of balance in all things. That is why he doesn't just appear to the world and say "Blah-blah-blah and all is well". That would allow Satan the same access to our world. Thus they are both forced to use emissaries, the kind of dumbasses who think they understand it all. But don't listen to me, I only have an idea.

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Originally Posted by rumrunner

No God can't just defeat Satan. He is bound by the law of balance in all things. That is why he doesn't just appear to the world and say "Blah-blah-blah and all is well". That would allow Satan the same access to our world. Thus they are both forced to use emissaries, the kind of dumbasses who think they understand it all. But don't listen to me, I only have an idea.

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You have issues. Take out the blue font. It doesn't show up on the shiny dark skin at all.

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Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

You have issues. Take out the blue font. It doesn't show up on the shiny dark skin at all.

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Sorry about the blue, just picked one at random I could see better than the black text I keep getting. I'm having to reset everything. But then, I suspect I'm not the only one.

Issues? Lady you got no idea.

While I'd love to hope that some remnant of our consciousness will remain when the meat dies, I accept that the evidence so far points to the meat causing the mind, so that oblivion is all that awaits us.

Sometimes this gives me a minor panic attack if I think about it too much.

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No God can't just defeat Satan. He is bound by the law of balance in all things.

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Isn't he supposed to be omnipotent and thus bound by no laws?

Supposed to be maybe, but I don't see it as "God the almighty creator of all". Why would the universe seek entropy in the way it does if this were so?

There can't be good without there being bad.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

You believe in Hell? What's god like, then? Is he too weak to eradicate Satan? Is he so hateful that he'd imprison a human being's soul in Hell for eternal torture for mistakes they made in life? Is he so unforgiving and without compassion that he'd condemn all of Adam and Eve's descendants to exist as flawed creatures, subject to temptation from Satan and without any direct proof of God's existance, and when they sinned condemn them forever to hell? This is a fucked up god my friend. Very fucked up.

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I lean toward Universal Reconciliation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Reconciliation

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Originally Posted by rumrunner

No God can't just defeat Satan. He is bound by the law of balance in all things. That is why he doesn't just appear to the world and say "Blah-blah-blah and all is well". That would allow Satan the same access to our world. Thus they are both forced to use emissaries, the kind of dumbasses who think they understand it all. But don't listen to me, I only have an idea.

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What a bunch of silly nonsense! Might as well worship Athena and Zeus.

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Originally Posted by Tempus Vernum

While I'd love to hope that some remnant of our consciousness will remain when the meat dies, I accept that the evidence so far points to the meat causing the mind, so that oblivion is all that awaits us.

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Yeah, I get that feeling too.

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Sometimes this gives me a minor panic attack if I think about it too much.

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I've gotten used to it. Its almost comforting to know your choice isn't between lakes of boiling blood and choirs of celibate angels singing "alaleuia" over and over again. Horrible.

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Isn't he supposed to be omnipotent and thus bound by no laws?

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Perfect, infinitely loving and compassionate, all powerful, all knowing. Yeah, god can't defeat satan and it can't even tell us about itself. Right.

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Originally Posted by rumrunner

Supposed to be maybe, but I don't see it as "God the almighty creator of all". Why would the universe seek entropy in the way it does if this were so?

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So god's not the creator of the universe??? It's just our little human god? What IS the creator of the universe? God's god? Maybe you should worsip that one instead. Less fickle, more powerful. Maybe it can get rid of Satan for you.

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Originally Posted by CedarPointer

There can't be good without there being bad.

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That's a bunch of crap. Guess what? There's no Good and there's no Bad, not in a cosmic, flows from God/Satan sense. Good is whatever satisfies our physical and cultural requirements for goodness and evil is what satisfies similar requirements for badness. Example - starvation is bad. Making people starve is really bad. Starving pregnant women and children is the worst. All of this flows from biological imperatives and our instinctual and cultural rules that have evolved with our species. Not Satan.

Wonderful! I love it. Its a much better belief system than the childish concept of heaven and hell. IMHO there is no salvation avalialbe or necessary. If anything, salvation is something humanity could acheive here in our societies, amongst each other. When there ceases to be have-nots, when there ceases to be warfare between cultures, relgions, ethnicities, when everyone learns to treat each other with a certain minimum of respect, allowing people to live more or less as they choose, then we will have found a kind of real salvation. But there's no apparent god out there demanding and teaching us to do this. Not as far as I can tell.

What this amounts to is our minds, our learning, our ability to choose our behavior, overcoming our instinctual, hard wired tendencies. The duality is animal vs. rational. The gut urge, vs. the thoughtful consideration.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Wonderful! I love it. Its a much better belief system than the childish concept of heaven and hell. IMHO there is no salvation avalialbe or necessary. If anything, salvation is something humanity could acheive here in our societies, amongst each other. When there ceases to be have-nots, when there ceases to be warfare between cultures, relgions, ethnicities, when everyone learns to treat each other with a certain minimum of respect, allowing people to live more or less as they choose, then we will have found a kind of real salvation. But there's no apparent god out there demanding and teaching us to do this. Not as far as I can tell.

What this amounts to is our minds, our learning, our ability to choose our behavior, overcoming our instinctual, hard wired tendencies. The duality is animal vs. rational. The gut urge, vs. the thoughtful consideration.

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Who are you responding to?

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Originally Posted by rumrunner

He is bound by the law of balance in all things.

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Theological problems are so much easier to solve when you can just make vague sounding laws up out of thin air.

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Originally Posted by Steely Glint

Theological problems are so much easier to solve when you can just make vague sounding laws up out of thin air.

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Isn't that the only way to "solve" them?

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Originally Posted by Steely Glint

Theological problems are so much easier to solve when you can just make vague sounding laws up out of thin air.

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Vague? the concept of balance is prevalent in everything we experience. supply and demand; give and take; predator and prey, the list goes on. It's like yin-yang, not at all "made up out of thin air". If a system is not in balance it degrades, falls apart, and dies. Nature won't allow it to continue in an unstable state. In fact, nature occassionally injects a new variable to balance the system, or modifies the system itself in order to restore it to a balanced state. So, I don't think I've made anything up out of thin air. If there indeed is a god, and he created everything, it is through this law that he accomplished it.

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Originally Posted by rumrunner

Vague? the concept of balance is prevalent in everything we experience. supply and demand; give and take; predator and prey, the list goes on. It's like yin-yang, not at all "made up out of thin air". If a system is not in balance it degrades, falls apart, and dies. Nature won't allow it to continue in an unstable state. In fact, nature occassionally injects a new variable to balance the system, or modifies the system itself in order to restore it to a balanced state. So, I don't think I've made anything up out of thin air. If there indeed is a god, and he created everything, it is through this law that he accomplished it.

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This is not even remotely true when looking at the Universe around us

Uhm... are you serious?

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Originally Posted by rumrunner

Uhm... are you serious?

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Very much so. Are you?