Al Guardian of Palestine and Wall Street

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

how "teabagger" is the derogatory term you use for the TeParty

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Maybe thats your hang up, you automatically assume its a derogatory term. I've already linked to an urbandictionary definition that explained it in relation to the tea party members without it being sexualize (much less in a homophobic way) like you are doing. But I'll give you that extra bit of help, again, and link to another.
The events these people organized were referred to as teabagging in the MSM, so why would those attendees not then be called teabaggers?

Its no different than someone living in America being called an American, a Florida resident being called a Floridian, or one of Dread's oldies, a Ron Paul supporter being a Paul Bearer (admittingly, thats a bit more of a stretch).

You're making an incredible effort to make this something its not, and you still haven't justified how you connected this with accusing me of sexually assaulting black men, not that I'm expecting an honest answer from a person like yourself. :bulb:

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

Maybe thats your hang up, you automatically assume its a derogatory term. I've already linked to an urbandictionary definition that explained it in relation to the tea party members without it being sexualize (much less in a homophobic way) like you are doing. But I'll give you that extra bit of help, again, and link to another.
The events these people organized were referred to as teabagging in the MSM, so why would those attendees not then be called teabaggers?

Its no different than someone living in America being called an American, a Florida resident being called a Floridian, or one of Dread's oldies, a Ron Paul supporter being a Paul Bearer (admittingly, thats a bit more of a stretch).

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And I can point to some black rapper calling another nigger, or the LGBTI community's deliberate effort to claim the moniker "Queer" as a self-label counter to its common pejorative use. I don't know or care whether the root of "teabagger" is anti-gay sentiment or not, but you're trying to pull the same crap my mother's high school students do when she objects to them using "gay" to insult each other in her classroom. "We're not putting each other down, why would you think that Teach, do you have a problem with homos?" It's a load of bullshit, you're using it as a pejorative, we know it, you know it and you aren't enough of a sophist to dance around that.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2...street/100159/

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In New York City's Financial District, hundreds of activists have been converging on Lower Manhattan over the past two weeks, protesting as part of an "Occupy Wall Street" movement. The protests are largely rallies against the influence of corporate money in politics, but participants' grievances also include frustrations with corporate greed, anger at financial and social inequality, and several other issues. Nearly 80 people were arrested last weekend in a series of incidents with the New York police as the protesters attempted to march uptown. Most are now camped out in nearby Zucotti Park. Demonstrations also took place yesterday in San Francisco, and an "Occupy Boston" protest is planned for tonight, September 30. Collected here are a handful of images of the protesters occupying Wall Street from the past two weeks.

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

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[...] and you still haven't justified how you connected this with accusing me of sexually assaulting black men, not that I'm expecting an honest answer from a person like yourself. :bulb:

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Fuzzy covered the rest quite well, but no one's as stupid as you're pretending to be with this part. Cut it out, and act your age. You know damn well that's not what I did, so please stop pretending to be borderline mentally retarded so you can claim I accused of you of racially-motivated sexual assault. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

You know damn well that's not what I did

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Thats exactly what you did

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

you hating black guys so much your rub your genitals all over their faces at parties. :o

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Seems pretty straight forward to me (even enough for Dread to ask), why try to dodge now?

Or is this the Cain version of an apology?:bulb:

j99

Well then. :bored:

How abouts we just drop this mostly-pointless line of inquiry and focus on the stupid ingrate protesters? :downcast:

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

Well then. :bored:

How abouts we just drop this mostly-pointless line of inquiry and focus on the stupid ingrate protesters? :downcast:

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H9w ab9ut y9u get ab9ut fixing this horrible anti-Semite campaign roaming around everyone but Kain

How about that

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

Thats exactly what you did

Seems pretty straight forward to me (even enough for Dread to ask), why try to dodge now?

Or is this the Cain version of an apology?:bulb:

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:rolleyes:

That, of course, being in the context of you claiming you'd never just name-called a political group you disagreed with, so I was trying to lead you to where you did...

rubbing genital over faces ===> "teabagging"
hating black people ===> racism
"guys" ===> homophobic
"parties" ===> Tea Party

Effin' crystal clear from where I sit, even without those last 4 lines. :bored:

If that doesn't connect the dots well enough for you, I'm afraid there's no hope for you, and you should just put me on permanent ignore, because irony of any sort is well above your head, and I often use words in meanings other than their strictly literal meaning(s). If that does connect the dots for you, then we can "drop this mostly-pointless line of inquiry" and go back to shaking our heads about Dread making mountains out of morons and such.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

Well then. :bored:

How abouts we just drop this mostly-pointless line of inquiry and focus on the stupid ingrate protesters? :downcast:

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So, it's not really the Guardian you're dissing, but the protesters?

What would you say if all the unemployed, underemployed, temp workers, minimum wage workers, 99-ers, medically uninsured, retirees, foreclosed ex-homeowners, veterans, and those living in poverty took to the streets? Stupid ingrates? :donkey:

Your question is highly academic since those people do not exist, and if they did, what are you doing spreading this j899 propaganda anyhows? :mad:

The protesters seem to be, by and large, privileged 20something whitefolk.

They get occasional visitors from the usual interest groups (unions and aging boomers). So far that's kinda it.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

The protesters seem to be

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

The protesters seem to be, by and large, privileged 20something whitefolk.

They get occasional visitors from the usual interest groups (unions and aging boomers). So far that's kinda it.

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It began with a Canadian blogger, Dread. There are small protests in other urban cities now, too.

:coffee:

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Originally Posted by GGT

It began with a Canadian blogger, Dread. There are small protests in other urban cities now, too.

:coffee:

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'Urbas cities'? Sounds like blaming the j666666666666s

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Originally Posted by GGT

So, it's not really the Guardian you're dissing, but the protesters?

What would you say if all the unemployed, underemployed, temp workers, minimum wage workers, 99-ers, medically uninsured, retirees, foreclosed ex-homeowners, veterans, and those living in poverty took to the streets? Stupid ingrates? :donkey:

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By 99-ers, do you mean 1099-ers? Because that's a pretty sweet gig when you can get it, and hardly a group of the under-privileged whoevers.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

The protesters seem to be, by and large, privileged 20something whitefolk.

They get occasional visitors from the usual interest groups (unions and aging boomers). So far that's kinda it.

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So, what's your problem with this stupidity getting news coverage? Sounds like a great way to expose the idiocy of this fringe group to the rest of the world. Granted, much of the rest of the world are also idiots (and thus, might agree with these idiots), but I don't think that's a problem we can blame on the media.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

By 99-ers, do you mean 1099-ers? Because that's a pretty sweet gig when you can get it, and hardly a group of the under-privileged whoevers.

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Uh, obviously they mean j5555555555555555s

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

So, what's your problem with this stupidity getting news coverage? Sounds like a great way to expose the idiocy of this fringe group to the rest of the world. Granted, much of the rest of the world are also idiots (and thus, might agree with these idiots), but I don't think that's a problem we can blame on the media.

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'Fringe group'? 'Idiots'? I think you mean j3333333333333333333333333s

Or should that be j5555555555555555555555555555555dens?

FWIW, I preferred j9[...]. And interesting poker hand, and a potentially sexy chick! (Jay-nine ~ Janine) I don't think you can do anything cool like that with j5 or j3, and as poker hands they're just awful.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

FWIW, I preferred j9[...]. And interesting poker hand, and a potentially sexy chick! (Jay-nine ~ Janine) I don't think you can do anything cool like that with j5 or j3, and as poker hands they're just awful.

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Why are you objectifying w99999men like that? :(

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This could be the beginning of a whole new social dynamic in America, a step beyond the Tea Party movement, where, instead of being caught helpless by the current power structure, we the people start getting what we want whether it be the dismantling of half the 1,000 military bases America has around the world to the reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall Act or a three strikes and you're out law for corporate criminals. Beginning from one simple demand – a presidential commission to separate money from politics – we start setting the agenda for a new America.

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http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbus...allstreet.html

As far as I can tell, this is where it began. Privileged 20something whitefolk using social media. Unions and aging boomers as occasional visitors. :rolleyes:

There are others, too. Like this: http://www.getmoneyout.com/

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

The protesters seem to be, by and large, privileged 20something whitefolk.

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What or who is OWS? :noob: Acronym for Occupy Wall Street?

Also, by 99-ers I meant those unemployed longer than 99 weeks and whose unemployment insurance has run out. Not to be confused with the 99%-ers. ;)

The local main news distributor (and the Finnish version of the BBC) report that roughly 700 protesters have been arrested. I am saddened and dismayed by this anti-Semitic display of our news media :(

Looks like the protestors managed to shut down the Brooklyn Bridge.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/01/busine...html?hpt=hp_t2

Is this still a silly protest by 20something stupid ingrates, or privileged whitefolk?

It's even sillier. People claiming the police led them to occupy the roadway of an active bridge, then arrested them for occupying the roadway of an active bridge. :rolleyes:

This movement is saying nothing besides "we're not happy". In democracies, protests have to be more specific in order to be more constructive. The ludicrous and anti-1st amendment rhetoric you're posting, GGT, isn't necessarily what the privileged 20something whitefolk on the bridge have been writing.

Could you be any less specific in your vague criticism? I mean, if you really tried?

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Originally Posted by Nessus

Could you be any less specific in your vague criticism? I mean, if you really tried?

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Funny, that's what people are saying to the "protesters".

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

Funny, that's what people are saying to the "protesters".

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At least you didn't use "folks" this time.

It's rather unfortunate that the plight of these people cannot be condensed into sound-bytes suitable for audiences prepped by Fox and Glenn Beck. So of course "folks" would be confused about what exactly people are complaining about; where's the beef? But don't let me interrupt your little privileged outrage over there.

Instead of projecting your values onto them and transparently liking them simply because I don't, can you clarify what their "plight" is? iPhone bill is cutting-into their beer money? They don't have access to $100,000/year state-unionized janitor jobs?

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

Instead of projecting your values onto them and transparently liking them simply because I don't, can you clarify what their "plight" is? iPhone bill is cutting-into their beer money? They don't have access to $100,000/year state-unionized janitor jobs?

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I thought a community leader such as yourself would be more attuned to the topics of the past few years. It seems this was a belief as unfounded as that of Moses.

I know it's been rough on hipster beer budgests when their parents take them off the family-plan cellphone billing. Those iPhone bills run to like $80/month!

You should have put in "j888" instead of hipster, local polls seem to indicate that is several times funnier.

I admit I am not personally invested enough to try and talk to you into seeing what is wrong with your narrative on the matter. But as a community leader, it would behoove you to behave less like the most petulant children on board our sinking ship.

What is your narrative on the matter, oh mighty one? As a community leader, it would behoove you to actually stake out positions instead of just sneering at those who may disagree with you.

PS- http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...e-videos-show/

I am not a community leader, far from it. I don't exactly know what you purport to be doing with this charade, but it seems like a rather obvious deflection.

My position? I do not like the things I read on the Rolling Stone, on blogs, on other reporting sites, on how a tiny slice of American life controls the whole world. Economically, of course. I do okay, it doesn't hurt me personally. I simply do not like the repetition of Bolshevist Russia in terms Ayn Rand would like.

Nor am I sneering at people disagreeing with me, I do not like the tactics or the tone of the conversation thrown at me. This is all personal preference and you're well to accost me for these, but all the same, it is not quite how you portray it to be. This is my objection through and through.

And yet you're never willing to really go into details, or demonstrate any particular deep understanding beyond what's in said Rolling Stone articles. You just like to point at said views.

while you revert to name calling and overly simple mass generalizations to express your opinion on what you want everyone to believe are facts (without doing the legwork something like that requires).

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

And yet you're never willing to really go into details, or demonstrate any particular deep understanding beyond what's in said Rolling Stone articles. You just like to point at said views.

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You want me exposed to the barrage of filth and hatred Loki and Kain have in store for those people? I may be better off today compared to a few years ago, but I am not prepared for that. We can't have an honest discussion in your forum, Dreadnaught.

This is hardly my forum. And I've never seen you really put yourself out there about these issues. Never.

You throw barrages of scorn at people, then complain about people's tone towards you. Which is frustrating because, as I've said many times, many of us really want to hear detailed views and ideas from you. But whenever encouraged, you claim other people are the ones holding you back. I don't buy it.

Bridge space and time, be the Kwisatz Haderach! :o

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

This is hardly my forum.

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And whose fault is that?

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

And I've never seen you really put yourself out there about these issues. Never.

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Coming from the man who "likes my essays"? I have been forth-with about my beliefs, to the limit the current flaming and hatred situation allows. I am pre-empted by myself, hated on by Fuzzy, and savagely attacked by some of the right-wingers. This may not leave enough room to narrate my life story to your satisfaction, but to borrow from your own creed, I have mine, so fuck you, huh? Your forum is run as you see fit, and this is how it goes.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

What is your narrative on the matter, oh mighty one? As a community leader, it would behoove you to actually stake out positions instead of just sneering at those who may disagree with you.

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Are you new here or something? :weird:

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Originally Posted by Nessus

Coming from the man who "likes my essays"? I have been forth-with about my beliefs, to the limit the current flaming and hatred situation allows. I am pre-empted by myself, hated on by Fuzzy, and savagely attacked by some of the right-wingers. This may not leave enough room to narrate my life story to your satisfaction, but to borrow from your own creed, I have mine, so fuck you, huh? Your forum is run as you see fit, and this is how it goes.

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Avoiding discussion because your extreme views conflict with other views and others' extreme views seems... somewhat disingenuous and self-fulfilling.