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According to dear Grauniad
Half of Britons do not believe in evolution, survey finds, Grauniad, 1 February 2009
But also that
Four out of five Britons repudiate creationism. Grauniad, 2 March 2009
A further 3% of those surveyed thought Darwin wrote The God Delusion, by the arch-atheist and Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins, while 1% thought Darwin was the author of The Naked Chef by Jamie Oliver.
I... I just don't know what to think any more.
The odd thing is that most of the creationists in the US are Evangelicals. You don't have that excuse. :o
We have some evangelicals, pentecostals, moselmen and perhaps most damning of all, irishmen.
The point of a federal system is to let regions make their own decisions in many areas and live with them. The same independence that lets Texas fight about teaching evolution has also given it one of the best business climates in the nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Everyone influences everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
You mean let them make their decisions and then pay for it through higher unemployment, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, etc. federal payments?
Oil gives Texas one of the best business climates in the nation (since it means there's less need for taxes). How's Oklahoma doing?
When you respond within 120 seconds to argue against the entire Federalist system we've been living under for 200 years simply because some idiots want to teach Creationism...I begin to understand what people mean when they say you argue just to argue. :bored:
They also have secessionists. :bulb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
There's another point of federal systems -- continuity. Certain things (like Education standards) promote mobility between the states, and maximize freedoms within The Union.
Texas may have a great "business climate", but if it's a bunch of state-college-educated football players with low IQs, or low-skilled minimum wage workers who can't afford to see a doctor, and the other states are picking up their share of "federal" burden, maybe that's not so great after all.
you act like your half baked concept on education is something the board hasn't already taken lewk to task over.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
I take it you also want to get rid of the EPA, the FDA, and all national standards? Perhaps we can also allow slavery as long as it's done in only the southern states?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Heh and liberals wonder why conservatives hate em. I love how you stereotyped an entire STATE.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
The Science and Engineering Readiness Index
http://www.aps.org/units/fed/newslet.../seri-fig2.gif
http://www.aps.org/units/fed/newslet...ite-cottle.cfm
Instead of half the country as you usually do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
"Moochers" remember?
There is enough hypocrisy in this single post to choke, prepare, cook, and serve a 27lb turkeyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Okay i just have to ask: do you have any idea how stupid that sounds coming from someone who regularly stereotypes pretty much everyone :bulb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Seems like a healthy amount of diversity, which obscured even more diversity at the regional level. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
By that do you mean that there isn't a single deep south state that's above average, and a vast majority are below average?
stupid is not healthy diversity :bulb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Across one metric developed by one organization just looking at things at the state level?
Also, the point is it doesn't matter.
Diversity is good once minimum standards are met. Should we all but guarantee a life of ignorance to someone going to school in Mississippi just because of the state they were born in?
That chart you showed is just an average of states comparing them to each other.
But I'm not going to fall into this trap and argue around the average you think is somehow relevant. It's not relevant. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
You don't actually want a rigid national education system with no variety. If anything you're a beneficiary of the amount of diversity we have; under a strict national system where certain things can/can't be studied, your specialty would be much harder to find.
Your specialty.. in high school?
By definition they are moochers of anything that gets federal funds since they provide 0 contribution to the federal budget. And for a couple of years I too was a moocher. Glad that I'm no longer part of that 47%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
High schools have base classes you must take, but then the student gets to choose elective classes that suit their preference. A rigid federal system might limit those choices even further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
No they're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
We have that over here too. I don't see how a federal system would limit this (lack of nearby schools seems a bigger problem, every school can only offer so much and outside cities there are only so many schools). And if the base classes are already shit, how is a specialty supposed to be any good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Besides, according to Lewk it doesn't matter because nobody remembers what they learn in high school anyway
When did this imaginary oppressive federal system come into the picture? I thought we were comparing current examples of current local education gone wrong vs current federal guidance?
when did the fairy tales and nightmares begin?
edit:
seems it was dread. not surprised.
You forgot to answer an important question:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
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Originally Posted by Aimless
I was just about to ask why we're contrasting with "rigid federal systems" as opposed to a reasonably flexible federal system, and why we're talking about "a rigid national education system with no variety" as opposed a reasonably flexible national educational system that attempts to guarantee a minimum reasonable standard but features a great deal of variety beyond that. I must be mismisreading Loki's posts or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
I don't know how much you have interacted with the US federal government, but flexible and reasonable are not the first things that come to mind.
Have you ever dealt with a school board or gone to a community meeting?
Santorum/Bachmann 2016
Search your feelings
You know it to be true!
Wasn't your prediction for 2012 Palin/Bachmann? :p
Even in Obama's America, people can dream :(
I mostly wanted to post the Star Wars quote
But it's also possible that your flexometer is differently calibrated, or that your govt may learn from other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
The fact that there are still schools teaching ID, even though the courts have ruled against it, should show you how flexible our system already is.
You may have stumbled upon the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
And yes Loki, have you?
And so what if you have?
Can you honestly tell me that the average school board member is nearly as informed as a top-level bureaucrat?
I'd say Texans being football fanatics is an accurate stereotype. Y'all don't mind using tax dollars to build $20 million football stadiums....for High Schools. Is that what you mean by "conservative"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
The poorest states are all southern, have "poor" or below average K-12 academic performance, and are 'conservative' Republican voting districts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Dr. SpinGood, McD :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught