Student convicted of hacking Sarah Palin e-mail account
A jury in Tennessee has convicted a former student of hacking the e-mail account of Sarah Palin.
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Student convicted of hacking Sarah Palin e-mail account
A jury in Tennessee has convicted a former student of hacking the e-mail account of Sarah Palin.
Wow, talk about blown cred! Why would you admit that to anybody?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Ding! Survey says #1 answer! She's a political Paris Hilton--a non-entity who thrives on publicity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
The irony is that Palin fans are too retarded to recognize hypocrisy. As long as she pushes certain buttons, they'll be happy.Quote:
And the bigger problem from that situation was that the second Limbaugh used the same word, Palin defended him and said it made her laugh.
No she doesn't. She cashed out. She is completely inviable on the national stage. The attack ads and buper sticker write themselves. "Vote Governor Quitter!" "Two more years!" Her quitting the governorship was the single worst thing she could do professionally, outside of some sort of scandal. It is, however, the single best thing she could do financially. But, as well all know, she's just driven by her mission and her love of America, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by littlelolligagged
I actually agree that this is inappropriate. The families of public figures are generally out of bounds. Like it our not, this has been our cultural standard for generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Off topic: I think she should have named him Analytical Geometry. That was so much more interesting than Trig. But I suppose the nicknames could suck. :(
See above response to Lewk. We do NOT generally go after politician's families. Even Billy Carter was cut a lot of slack. So I find this way out of line.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
But I also find Family Guy to be a cheap rip off of the Simpsons. Totally derivative. They're cashing in on that though, so you can't blame the network.
Stop letting the forum nutball bait you into thread necromancy.
This was ten weeks dead before AR posted an old bit of news (that I posted elsewhere, when it was slightly less old).
Due to my sporadic attendance, I miss a lot of stuff. I rely on other to keep me up to date. :D
Besides, Sarah Palin is always fun. And Tina Fey is probably thankful for the greatest moment of her career.
No she isn't. And if the rest of you would ignore her, she'd go away... instead of being a viable national politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
She's not a viable national politician. She's a money making three ring circus.
From what I have heard/read, she really isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
The rest of 'you' are tea partiers?Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
More like she is Ann Coulter's protege.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
It honestly beats me. Must be the same 80% of the population that watches reality TV or something (that pays Palin any mind). FFS, she's even shitty as comic relief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
Well, maybe not. Fey is multi-talented, so getting pigeonholed for a simple impersonation may be kind of a bummer. But the fact remains that seldom in history has there been such a perfect comic nailing. Fey was a better Palin than Palin was. In figure skating terms it was like nailing the triple spin toe loop whatsis time after time. It was her greatest moment, a perfect storm. But yeah, I can see that might be kind of depressing. She's probably heard about little else in interviews since. 20 years from now, people will mention that has her greatest achievement (especially if she continues making crappy, formulaic movies like this last one).Quote:
Originally Posted by littlelolligagged
This is a non-issue. Isn't it. I saw the creator/ producer or whatever of Family Guy on Bill Maher some time after the uproar. He came off as a dick. And Sarah's a fucking scum bag, so.... Whatever. It's a non issue.
That pretty much sums it up.
Though does he actually get "creator" status for Family Guy? I mean, it's such a blatant rip off of the Simpsons, does Groening get writing or co-creator credit? :p
Have you ever actually watched it? It's nothing like the Simpsons, except for the standard comedy family formula. Well, and the fact that neither one is funny anymore, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
I thought he only watched shows on DVD ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
Even so, the first 7 seasons of Family guy (5 or 6 of which are actually funny) are available on DVD, just like the first 20 seasons of The Simpsons (10 or so of which are actually funny). So it's not impossible that he's watched both shows... though his comments about Family Guy do make it seem unlikely.
It's funny when Tear makes obvious jokes and gets responded to seriously.
He even put the :p face this time...jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
:p ;) :D:up:
They are quite similar, starting with the core of the show: a fat, obnoxious, insensitive and fairly stupid fat lower middle class white male. Various hijinx ensues. It's the Simpsons, with weaker satire. Heck, the jokes are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
Never said that. I don't watch serials on TV, I also tend not to watch sitcoms, and I loath reality TV. But I do watch TV now and then. The Family Guy is on incessantly, and I've watched several episodes. It is a Simpsons clone with a different accents and a couple f the characters switched around. It's almost plagiarism it's so blatant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Now, back in the 90s I went through a few years where I watched the Simpsons semi-regularly. But I haven't watched it much in over a decade.
So, as one of the characters is similar (and the rest are vastly different), the shows are the same.
Alrighty, then.
How are the shows "vastly" different? Different animation styles? :confused:
First of all, stop misrepresenting me. "Vastly" clearly refers to the characters other than the patriarch.
Secondly, and again, the basic characters (other than both male head of households being fat dumbasses) are very different, the focus of the shows are different (Simpons focuses more on the kiddies and the family dynamic, whereas Family Guy focuses on the adults, with the children generally being secondary characters, at best), and other than being comedies about an American family headed by a dumbass, they're really not all that similar.
By your logic, both shows are derivative rip-offs of the Jetsons. :bored:
Baby = evil Bart
Dog = smartass Lisa
The mom is a nice gal, but is northeastern rather than Marge's generic.
So, could you define "vast?"
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Baby = evil Bart
If Bart was a diabolical genius bent on world domination, yeah. :bored:Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
But I always go the impression that Bart was a dumbass petty troublemaker. Silly me.
Kind of like saying that Stalin and Madoff are practically the same character, because they both have sociopathic tendencies. No, actually, it's just one point of similarity while everything is is different.
I must have missed the Simpsons episodes where Lisa tackles her alcoholism.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
And wealthy, and kinky and from a wild past, and any other number of differences...Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
Yeah, but I think I'd rather direct you to a dictionary.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
Apparently vast means "non-identical." Bravo, you have, um, "proven" your point with your usual panache.
Enh. Whatever. Like I pointed out, by your logic, both shows are a Jetsons rip-off, because all three follow the same standard comedy family dynamic and have lots of skin deep similarities.
Warner Brothers should so totally sue Fox for that. :rolleyes:
Missed it, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
It was "The Italian Bob" episode..
:pQuote:
The Simpsons enjoy spending time in the village, and they continue to keep Bob's past a secret. However, when Lisa gets intoxicated at a party, she starts to spout off about him being an attempted murderer.
:haha: :up:
Seriously, how is Stewie (? I have seen one episode of Family Guy) like Bart? He's seemed more like a take on Sideshow Bob.
There are similarities, but you're letting the voice deceive you. He supplies the deviltry.
So, how is Stewie like Bart?
Deviltry, hedonism, plays a similar role in plots. Family guy shuffles up the characters some, they're not identical. And the episodes play out pretty similarly. Very similar plot lines. I see it as a "the generation who grew up on the Simpsons has aged out, but we can play exactly the same card. Mix up the characters a little, dramatically change the animation look, run similar plots, and you've got a major cash cow."
It's about as different as "All in the Family" and "The Jeffersons." So what that one is white and one is black. It's basically one cashing in on the other by running a virtually identical formula.
So the characters aren't identical. Even dumb high school kids can figure out they should mix up some words when they copy something.
I'm not particularly interested in either, but Tear - before you start making major comparisons maybe you should watch more than a "few" episodes.'
I don't agree about the similarity at all. "Plays a similar role in the plots" isn't enough, most shows of the same genre are formulaic to some degree and he is a completely different archetype. Episode structure for both seems standard sitcomm stuff.
I do agree that the jokes in the episode I saw where very much of the Simpson's school.
Why? I had that visceral "this is the same show" reaction first time I saw family guy, and I get deja vu every time I watch again. Maybe it was merely that the Family Guy producers said "hey, an animated family sitcom was a gold mine for the Simpsons, so let's do the same!" But I think it goes past that. There are ways the plot spins out, ways characters relate. I'd bet that not only was the Simpsons generally emulated, I'd bet the Simpsons was carefully studied.
It ain't a dissertation. Who gives a shit, really? But I'm pretty confident of my take.
Edit: @Steely: the jokes are very similar, certain long plot sequences are very similar. It feels like people consciously changed elements to make it not too similar to the Simpsons. And hey, can you blame them? What is the average half life of a new sitcom? Come to think of it, The Family Guy is to the Simpsons what mainstream "alternative rock" is to the original grunge bands: Rip it off, but don't do so TOO obviously.
Well, it's just that only these forums we generally like to give reasons for our take, and the ones you've supplied have been pretty weak. Since you do not seem to watch sit-coms, perhaps you are unaware of the generic tropes and story structures that both are drawing on.
Could be. I find myself straining to care whether I can defend an offhand comment, and falling short. Nope. Don't really care.
And let's not get extreme. I've watched a fair amount of TV of various kinds. My wife is a big watcher of certain shows, so if not vomit-inducing I'll watch some with her, since she's really cute and I like hanging out with her on the sofa. I've watched far too many Friends, Seinfeld, yadda yadda yadda. I just don't do it that often. I'm also 41, which means I've had 15-20 more years to get sick of shows than some others here. And, I've been in different phases at different times of my life. I actually watched a LOT when I first got CFIDS. These days, if I turn on the TV I look for a movie, or for three months (mid-March to mid-June), basketball.
What's that sort of standard simpon's joke, where they sort of set up an expectation on the part of the viewer, then play to it as quickly and as blatantly as possible, or play with sterotypes, then sometimes give the idea a twist as a punchline? I saw a lot of that in Family Guy. There was a gag with a sterotypical pirate with two wooden legs and arms who turned out to have them for reasons unrelated to seamanship. That was a very Simpsons joke. The humour is similar, though the characters really aren't, beyond standard comedy archetypes. Maybe that was where the sense of familarity came from?
Yes, I'm sure that is a lot of it.
2 Cents: too much reach. Not really worth arguing, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
EDIT: you guys got a lot of mileage out of this one. :|