Very well said.
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We also shouldn't forget that the first target of the ISPs wasn't downloading pirated content but VOIP.
So the argument is that net neutrality will prevent ISPs from adjudicating allegedly illegal copyright infringement...and that the solution is to let the government micromanage instead? :bulb:
I don't see how Netflix really makes the case. The ISPs have a reasonable and capital-intensive business, and Netflix usage can and does comprise a heavy chunk of that. Distributors charging heavy users isn't that radical.
What's radical is applying a 75+ year old communications law designed for telephone service to the modern Internet. The Leviathan of the Obama regulatory state knows few rational boundaries.
And he also ignores that all of this actually started over VOIP. But that narrative isn't so attractive for the ISP lobby.
You being blind isn't our problem. In your anti-tech lunacy you just don't see things properly anymore.
Netflix pays for the infrastructure server side. And the Netflix users pay for the infrastructure client side. If the ISP offer flat rates that they cannot implement it's their own fault. You cannot offer a 250 Mbit/s line and than not provide what you offered. Period.Quote:
The ISPs have a reasonable and capital-intensive business, and Netflix usage can and does comprise a heavy chunk of that. Distributors charging heavy users isn't that radical.
Internet Provider Sonic's CEO: Title II Is Only A Regulatory Burden If You're Doing Something Bad
from the it's-that-simple dept
A few weeks back, I was a guest on the famed TWiT netcast, on a special episode mostly about net neutrality. You can see it at that link (I tried to embed, but it appears, unfortunately, that TWiT doesn't do HTTPS embeds -- something I hope the TWiT folks will fix in the near future).
However, this post has nothing to do with me being on the show, but rather something that was said by Sonic's CEO Dane Jasper concerning net neutrality and Title II: that Title II is only a "regulatory burden" if you're an ISP that's doing bad stuff to consumers. Much of the first hour was a discussion between Jasper and another small ISP owner, Brett Glass, who has been rather vehement in his dislike of net neutrality or Title II. Glass brought up a key talking point that big ISPs and other anti-Title II people have made repeatedly: that using Title II would be a huge regulatory burden, "burying ISPs in red tape" (as Glass noted). Yet Jasper explained how that's just not true, and, in fact, he's not at all worried about the "regulatory burden" because as long as he's not doing anything to muck up your connection, there's basically no additional regulatory issue (this is from about 27 minutes into the show):
Dane: I think that the more substantial risk is to the Internet and web properties, particularly new innovative web properties. If there isn't some regulation around what carriers who dominate the marketplace can do to that traffic. So that I see, the threat to the Internet is the top priority, and Brett talks about an insurmountable amount of red tape. Today, Internet service providers are required to publish for the FCC a disclosure of traffic management practices. So we publish a disclosure. I think it says we don't touch your bits. We don't modify, we don't filter, we don't engage in deep pack inspection. So, I think from a compliance perspective, if the assumption is that Title II will be by and large gutted, or rather they engage in forbearance of all provisions and begin to re-enable provisions that allow them to assure the traffic is treated equally, my expectation is those of use that treat traffic equally will have a pretty light regulatory burden.
This line has stuck with me, because the argument that Title II is burying service providers in regulation just keeps coming up. It was brought up recently by Mark Cuban in the comments to our post about Cuban's view of net neutrality. And yet, the key parts of Title II that are important for these net neutrality rules are really pretty limited. Sections 201 and 202 are the key ones, and do very little in terms of adding "red tape" to being an ISP. They just talk about not allowing the service provider to engage in unreasonable discrimination.
Yet, as Dane notes, so long as you stick to net neutrality, and you make it clear to the FCC (as is already required) that you don't muck with people's connections, the actual "regulatory burden" will be absolutely minimal. And that's from someone who will clearly have to deal with it. So, that should probably make you wonder: when ISPs argue that there will be a massive regulatory burden associated with Title II, just what sorts of games are they planning to play with your traffic to encounter such a regulatory burden?
https://www.techdirt.com/blog/netneu...hing-bad.shtml
Yeah, one has to wonder about the "burden" on the ISPs when net neutrality amounts to "don't mess with the traffic" and that is the default setting of every router and switch anywhere.
What's frightening is that people trust the government to do even more than they are doing now. Innovative companies like Uber and Telsa are in the cross hairs of nasty governmental legislation. (Primarily at the local level but still). And Telsa is a liberal darling and even they can't get out of the overzealous regulatory attacks. So yeah... let's let even MORE regulation in. /Boggle
Don't worry about Tsla, they still get to enjoy the benefits of govt subsidies
https://www.techdirt.com/blog/netneu...y-answer.shtml
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why did Verizon beg regulators to have its FiOS internet broadband service classified under Title II for the sake of government subsidies
It's very usual that people actually mean 'pro my business' when they say 'pro business'.
Not all regulations are equal.* And like I said previously, if there was an actual proper market for internet providers, I'd be fine with them using stuff like this (which is why I think, for example, that the rules about it here are more of a populist thing than actually that useful) - if customers don't like it, they could go to a competitor who doesn't do it. However, since you have practically a monopoly in most parts of the USA, I do think regulation like this is needed. Which, by the way, don't make things more difficult for companies, it means they can actually mess less with your connection. And my biggest beef is actually that providers are as opaque as shit about what they do. Even if they are allowed to throttle certain services, they should make it clear which, and by how much. But as it stands, you buy their services for internet connection with a certain bandwidth... only to find out later that the bandwidth for what you actually want to use is far lower (or even blocked). And the provider won't comment on what they actually do, so you can't even be sure it's them causing the problems. And you can't change provider. Free market is surely a good solution to stuff like this, but you need an actual free market for that.
* to be honest, your argument sounds kinda like: the seatbelt laws are ridiculous, so we shouldn't have speed limits either because all road regulations are crap, and the police make mistakes so it's frightening that people trust the police to do even more than they are doing now (oh wait, I forgot, you believe in utter government incompetence... except when it comes to police).
http://www.npr.org/2012/11/09/164736...franchise-laws
just one example, you could google pretty much any part of the title and get loads more information
Thanks to a lot of lobbying in years past most states have laws that protect dealers from underhanded tactics from the manufacturers or suppliers. Stuff that stops the car companies from opening competing showrooms/dealerships or service centers, or even favoring new showrooms/dealerships over established ones. Car buying in America sucks, and these laws are only part of the reason. So much so that Dodge is warning people interested in a new Hellcat to stay away from dealerships at the moment because of how ridiculous and borderline illegal their actions have been concerning distribution.
Dealers are now twisting those laws and their lobbying powers to fight Tesla, Tesla generally wins in some manner.
How Lewk is taking the lobbying power of the dealer network and comparing it to net neutrality is just :bulb:
I take it the proposed regulatory item will be one page long then right?
http://preservefreedom.org/new-jerse...electric-cars/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6437958.html
Seat belt laws are ridiculous.
Police are necessary for law and order. There are only two things that prevent crime. A person's moral code (and we know that has never in the history of the world stopped crime fully) and the threat of consequences. Police are necessary as part of the enforcement method of stopping people from stealing, killing, looting, ect. I am absolutely in favor of FEWER laws. Prostitution, seat-belt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, gambling laws and drug laws are all things I'd be in favor of doing away with. Let the police focus on the thieves, intellectual property theft, murderers and rapists. (And lots of other crime that causes direct harm).
8 pages, but I suspect you know that and thats why youre acting ridiculous again. 8 pages is a far cry from the 300+ pages the anti-neutrality guys were claiming a few days ago.
It's ridiculous that they were/are needed to get people to use their seatbelts...
Having a job that both A. keeps you busy and B. pays you well probably goes a long way toward preventing crime too.Quote:
There are only two things that prevent crime. A person's moral code (and we know that has never in the history of the world stopped crime fully) and the threat of consequences.
Is it ever moral to steal?
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...bs+lower+crime
Google cause there are so many sources that point to the same study.
Ding Ding Ding! If you have a job there are more consequences to theft. Not only do you face potential prison and bodily you harm you also could get fired.
Also not everyone places the same value on self. When people look at things through an internal cost/benefit if you have more lose you would be less likely to take greater risks. This is why someone with a terminal illness might do stuff they never would have done if they didn't have it. They only got X months to live as opposed to someone who might have X years to live.
In any event my original statement stands - people either don't do crime due to perceived consequences or due to their moral compass. Since we know not everyone's moral compass is that great it requires us to have law enforcement in order to increase the consequences pushing some people into the "won't do crime due to fear of consequences" decision making bracket.
Or, you know, trying to also make life better so that people have more to lose and less reason to commit a crime, instead of just stricter punishment. Prevention isn't a bad thing.
Cheaper, too!
In the long run, at least.
Not that we needed yet another example that would force your ignorant ass to stick his head in the sand about, but:
Comcast Blocks HBO Go From Working On Playstation 4
"HBO Go availability on PS3 (and some other devices) are business decisions and deal with business terms that have not yet been agreed to between the parties. Thanks for your continued patience."
Yeah, its never worked on the PS3 either, they are just now admitting its because they want more money from someone.
Don't forget meeting needs and wants. People with good jobs don't (feel like they) need to steal - crime can be about believing you don't have any good alternatives.
Your statement is too narrow. You only understand the stick, not the carrot, and in a very simplistic way at that.Quote:
In any event my original statement stands - people either don't do crime due to perceived consequences or due to their moral compass. Since we know not everyone's moral compass is that great it requires us to have law enforcement in order to increase the consequences pushing some people into the "won't do crime due to fear of consequences" decision making bracket.
You don't need to qualify it with 'long run.' Reducing crime with opportunity not only lowers law enforcement and incarceration expense but also increases the tax base through employment. It's HUGELY superior to Lewk's draconian police state utopia.
Most theft in America occurs for non-essential items. People are not stealing because they 'need' to.
Carrots and stacks are all about consequences. People act on a moral compass or they act on a positive consequence or negative consequence (and we humans tend to be imperfect so really most people with a moral compass still do both). The ultimate point being is that law enforcement IS needed because there will be more crime if there isn't any. That makes law enforcement a necessary evil - evil in the sense that they have the ability to take away people's freedom and there is asymmetrical power which leads to the potential of corruption abuse. Necessary because society cannot function without a way to reign in the shit stains of the world.
There will be less thieves. Frankly if we killed thieves there would be an uptick in deaths in the short term and probably a decline in deaths in the long term.
In any event - the entire topic was brought up with me because I'm against government overreach and then I was being implicated as hypocritical because I support strong laws. What I'm attempting to do is clarify that police are *necessary* while net neutrality is *not necessary.* When we talk about government even if a law does more good than harm (on the surface) if it isn't necessary it shouldn't be passed.
To be honest, I'm not quite sure what "net neutrality" even means. I thought I did....but that was when Visa was a credit card company, ATT was a phone company, and Apple was a computer company. :confused:
How is Net Neutrality necessary when we don't currently have it now and the world hasn't ground to a halt?
It's not murder if it is legally justified. ;) But the argument is flawed because where would you draw the line in sentencing? All right you stole you get a year in jail. Well what if we did 364 days? Clearly 365 isn't 'necessary' after all what would one day be? Where exactly would this stop? No, enforcement is clearly necessary. Sentencing is fudge-able however it doesn't have to require the necessary test.
It's murder if it's wrong and deliberate.
Yeah, seriously. We can't agree that access to water/shelter/food/medicine are fundamental rights.....so what makes you think the internet is any different?
Oh wait, you think freedom and liberty means people doing stupid stuff (like signing up with ISIS)....and tyranny means any governmental intervention against stupid stuff?
Have you read this thread?
I assume by your wink you do agree murdering people for stealing really isn't necessary. I don't understand the rest of your post... (seriously).Quote:
It's not murder if it is legally justified. ;) But the argument is flawed because where would you draw the line in sentencing? All right you stole you get a year in jail. Well what if we did 364 days? Clearly 365 isn't 'necessary' after all what would one day be? Where exactly would this stop? No, enforcement is clearly necessary. Sentencing is fudge-able however it doesn't have to require the necessary test.