Really Germany?

I would rather see some prove for such a claim.

Which claim?

How about the claim that there is phony outrage? I've always been outraged by abuse wherever it occurs.

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Which claim?

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I was referring, again, as I have done previously, to the phony outrage of bigoted non-victims (ie. not those who are assaulted but rather those hypocritical observers such as Lewk, Trump and yourself whose primary interest is in chauvinism and point-scoring) who could never be bothered to give a fuck until it became associated with Muslim migrants.

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That one.

Well, proof about Trump isn't hard to find, do you really want me to post those for you? But I imagine you meant the allegation about yourself .

A pretty malicious and unfounded allegation don't you think.

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Well, proof about Trump isn't hard to find, do you really want me to post those for you? But I imagine you meant the allegation about yourself .

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Trump is so nuts, you can use him as straw-man for about anything.

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You're wondering why there is an uproar now and not before. I'm wondering what your point is. People are complaining now, this behaviour is unacceptable and the victims are right to complain.

Are you suggesting that:
Today's victims are wrong to complain?
Previous year's victims were to blame for not complaining?
Or something else?

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Easy: Brown people are not allowed to harass white people. That's the job of white people.

Nobody is allowed to harass anyone.

The far right is leading the outrage brigade. When did the far right ever protest rape or mistreatment of women in the past?

2004 the a right wing women organization along with the SVP had a successful initiative to have a lifetime sentence for sexual offenders with no change of therapy.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verwahrung_(Schweiz)

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Nobody is allowed to harass anyone.

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Yes. And yet, the same men and women who previously turned a blind eye towards such harassment now loudly proclaim the downfall of civilization, now that some brown people are caught doing the same stuff that has been the prerogative of whitie before them.

Noone with a sane mind is thinking that all refugees and migrants are saints. They have, on the other hand, not shown to be more of a problem than the people who have been here since about forever.

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The far right is leading the outrage brigade. When did the far right ever protest rape or mistreatment of women in the past?

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The AFD is a prominent example for their cognitive dissonance: They're leading a campaign to get women back into the kitchen while their party leader actually is a woman.

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2004 the a right wing women organization along with the SVP had a successful initiative to have a lifetime sentence for sexual offenders with no change of therapy.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verwahrung_(Schweiz)

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Wanting to punish rapists isn't the same as wanting to support victims of rape or women in general.

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Wanting to punish rapists isn't the same as wanting to support victims of rape or women in general.

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It isn't meant as punishment, the text of the initiative clearly states that the life sentence is meant as protection of further victims additionally to the punishment.

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It isn't meant as punishment, the text of the initiative clearly states that the life sentence is meant as protection of further victims additionally to the punishment.

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For some reason the far left which Loki seems to be rushing headlong to join can't comprehend that releasing criminals with a high recidivism rate creates more and more victims.

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Okay so it was as dumb as it appeared to be. I was referring, again, as I have done previously, to the phony outrage of bigoted non-victims (ie. not those who are assaulted but rather those hypocritical observers such as Lewk, Trump and yourself whose primary interest is in chauvinism and point-scoring) who could never be bothered to give a fuck until it became associated with Muslim migrants.

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Probably one of a most frequently used and vile ad hominem attacks on this site. You're basically saying we have no problem with sexual assault unless it can be used to score political points. That's pretty fucked up.

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The far right is leading the outrage brigade. When did the far right ever protest rape or mistreatment of women in the past?

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http://theworldforgotten.com/showthr...ghlight=rapist

Oh lookie here it was the liberals who are opposed to mandatory 'harsh' sentencing of rapists.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...before-release

"Steve Hurst, a Republican from Munford, Ala., has introduced a bill that would require sex offenders older than 21 to pay for their own surgical castration before being released from state custody."

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For some reason the far left which Loki seems to be rushing headlong to join can't comprehend that releasing criminals with a high recidivism rate creates more and more victims.

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Just like in the case that lead to the initiative. You can read all of it here https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mord_am_Zollikerberg (German only, you can try a translator).

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Okay so it was as dumb as it appeared to be. I was referring, again, as I have done previously, to the phony outrage of bigoted non-victims (ie. not those who are assaulted but rather those hypocritical observers such as Lewk, Trump and yourself whose primary interest is in chauvinism and point-scoring) who could never be bothered to give a fuck until it became associated with Muslim migrants.

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Was it ever reported in English-language headlines? You're being unreasonable Minx.

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For some reason the far left which Loki seems to be rushing headlong to join can't comprehend that releasing criminals with a high recidivism rate creates more and more victims.

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Another example of Rand not knowing what the hell he's talking about.

Pretty sure Dread posted studies in the past showing sex offenders actually have a lower recidivism rate than other criminals. Eithet way, nice of Rand to miss the point yet again.

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Pretty sure Dread posted studies in the past showing sex offenders actually have a lower recidivism rate than other criminals. Eithet way, nice of Rand to miss the point yet again.

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When it comes to rapists (where is no doubt) I'm totally OK with them never leaving prison. Even if the recidivism rate is .1% (1 in 1,000) the lives of a 1000 pieces of shit that are worth literally nothing, is far more valuable than the one innocent victim.

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Was it ever reported in English-language headlines? You're being unreasonable Minx.

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I presumed the reporting and the social media and forum coverage was similar to our worse than that in Sweden but maybe Sweden is uniquely fucked up, who knows.

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Does Germany still think sexual assault from the 'refugees' are *misunderstandings?* /Boggle

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Maybe it is, for some? Do you have better ideas on how to assimilate refugees to their new society and cultural norms that wouldn't mean including them in public safety?

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Another example of Rand not knowing what the hell he's talking about.

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Yes recidivism for sex offenders is victimless. Thanks for educating me on that. :rolleyes:

Not missed any point though. Recidivism rates of sex offenders attacking the general public is pretty close to zero if they are behind bars. It is upon releasing them that the public is put back at risk.

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Pretty sure Dread posted studies in the past showing sex offenders actually have a lower recidivism rate than other criminals. Eithet way, nice of Rand to miss the point yet again.

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Still too high. Studies I've seen put overall recidivism at 36.9% for sex offenders and that is way too many to be acceptable.

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Maybe it is, for some? Do you have better ideas on how to assimilate refugees to their new society and cultural norms that wouldn't mean including them in public safety?

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The issue is that a lot of the European left is trying to paint the refugees who commit these sexual assaults as essentially innocent folks caught up in a difficult situation where they don't understand the appropriate cultural norms. That's bull shit. They are willfully and deliberately making a moral choice to harm others. This isn't a misunderstanding, it is assault. They know what they are doing is wrong and they are doing it anyway. That's the issue I have with this push for 'education' to clear up 'misunderstandings.' Its political correctness to a disturbing degree.

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Pretty sure Dread posted studies in the past showing sex offenders actually have a lower recidivism rate than other criminals. Eithet way, nice of Rand to miss the point yet again.

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American or European? Because, you know the US doesn't really have a that good record in reintegrating people.

Besides that, the preventive detention of sexual offenders is made decided together with criminal psychologists.

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The issue is that a lot of the European left is trying to paint the refugees who commit these sexual assaults as essentially innocent folks caught up in a difficult situation where they don't understand the appropriate cultural norms. That's bull shit. They are willfully and deliberately making a moral choice to harm others. This isn't a misunderstanding, it is assault. They know what they are doing is wrong and they are doing it anyway. That's the issue I have with this push for 'education' to clear up 'misunderstandings.' Its political correctness to a disturbing degree.

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In Saudi Arabia it's still legally legitimate to deny women a driver's license. And it's still acceptable for the "religious police" to detain and jail women who aren't covered head-to-toe and/or accompanied by a male family member.

What do you expect from refugees seeking freedom, if they've never actually known it? Do you expect they'll automatically know the boundaries between doing what they want, and how that impacts others, and what the government mandates, and will come to a more civilized decision than the average US citizen rapist has? :donkey:

If you're worried about sexual assault, maybe you should focus on the US collegiate/sports world and the Catholic Church that's been perpetuating and hiding sexual assaults for generations.

Why is it either/or?

I hold the Catholic Church in contempt. Why can I not equally hold Islamic rapists in the same level of contempt as Catholic ones?

If I was raised Catholic I would have left the Church a long time ago.

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Yes recidivism for sex offenders is victimless. Thanks for educating me on that. :rolleyes:

Not missed any point though. Recidivism rates of sex offenders attacking the general public is pretty close to zero if they are behind bars. It is upon releasing them that the public is put back at risk.

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By that logic, we should lock any criminal up for life.

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By that logic, we should lock any criminal up for life.

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If the crime is serious enough, yes.

Have you gained expertise in another area in which you've read nothing? FYI, the main objectionable disability claims come from people claiming to have lower-back pain.

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If the crime is serious enough, yes.

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Even when the recidivism rate is lower than one in five? Congratulation, Rand, you're on the way to become the next Erdogan.

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Have you gained expertise in another area in which you've read nothing? FYI, the main objectionable disability claims come from people claiming to have lower-back pain.

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You think there is no problem in the treatment or diagnosis of mental issues? A perfect job is being done by all?

I'm not sure what your FYI has to do with the price of tea in China. There can be more than one issue that can be over-claimed. Have I defended those claiming lower-back pain as been 100% unobjectionable?

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Even when the recidivism rate is lower than one in five? Congratulation, Rand, you're on the way to become the next Erdogan.

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"If the crime is serious enough" then I couldn't care less if its one in ten, any is too many.

I'm saying people who need an excuse to claim disability opt for lower-back pain, because it's a much more amorphous concept. No one wants to sit in a room with psychiatrists/psychologists for hours. There is a problem with anti-depressants being over-subscribed, but that's happening to mildly depressed patients, not to people faking mental illness.

It happens to both.

Though I think "stress" is an easier one to claim if you go down the mental road.

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Even when the recidivism rate is lower than one in five? Congratulation, Rand, you're on the way to become the next Erdogan.

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We speak about convicted heavy criminals here, not some random journalist with the wrong opinion.

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"If the crime is serious enough" then I couldn't care less if its one in ten, any is too many.

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Well, thankfully you're not in charge of our legal system, so, screw you.

Next you'll be telling us that false convictions are a myth. But, hey, locking someone up for life on a false conviction, sure, that does not fall under your "one is one too many!" dictum. It's the same shitty rationalization used by sociopaths going: "We had to burn the village down to save it!"