Are we using Obama as a scapegoat?

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Originally Posted by Lor

Quit sucking Cain's dick, soon enough he'll have visions of it being a woman and will enjoy it. When that happens, you're in a world of shit.

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I'm pretty sure I pmed Lolli a while and"suck[ed] up" to her to a certain degree for something she did. Cain is the only person who I actually follow around on this forum because he's found a way to be autistic and intelligent at the same time. I mean he's Glenn Beck with a brain.

Awww, did bwabie get his fweelings huwt by big scawy Cwain? :cry:

Grow the fuck up, buddy. :up:

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Originally Posted by termite

Recessions are part of a natural cycle, just like climate change.

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Did you really say that? :nono:

The way humanity can alter the economy's so called "natural cycle", humanity can also alter nature's "natural cycle". :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Young Mage

I'm pretty sure I pmed Lolli a while and"suck[ed] up" to her to a certain degree for something she did. Cain is the only person who I actually follow around on this forum because he's found a way to be autistic and intelligent at the same time. I mean he's Glenn Beck with a brain.

Awww, did bwabie get his fweelings huwt by big scawy Cwain? :cry:

Grow the fuck up, buddy. :up:

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Did you know that a lot of people who are spanked as children grow up to advocate spanking?

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Originally Posted by Aimless

Did you know that a lot of people who are spanked as children grow up to advocate spanking?

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People tend to mindlessly support/mimic the horrors (ie values) they were raised with even if they hated them while being raised. Its part of the human condition and one more piece of evidence that we are less sentient than we believe.

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Originally Posted by Aimless

Did you know that a lot of people who are spanked as children grow up to advocate spanking?

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I was never spanked as a child. I was beaten with whatever. I don't want to beat my children, but if they become ungratful little shits like my friends. I'll teach them respect. And frankly, I'm not going to beat my children if they don't do well on a test or a semester like my parents did with me. I find that ridiculous. Nor am I going to be as controlling as my parents or as repressive.

So I guess that theory never truly applies to everyone or anyone who didn't have a mental breakdown from the abuse and i'm using "abuse" pretty subjectively.

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Originally Posted by Young Mage

I'm pretty sure I pmed Lolli a while and"suck[ed] up" to her to a certain degree for something she did. Cain is the only person who I actually follow around on this forum because he's found a way to be autistic and intelligent at the same time. I mean he's Glenn Beck with a brain.

Awww, did bwabie get his fweelings huwt by big scawy Cwain? :cry:

Grow the fuck up, buddy. :up:

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Hold on sweet cheeks, no need to get ultra defensive. Did you forget to have your Ready Brek?

Note to Young Mage - I wasn't being serious. Just yanking your chain! Not as bright as i thought ... :sour:

As for Cain, he's not that scary. More like a puppy dog, a Yorkshire Terrier if you like. :up:

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I'm not your friend, i shouldn't even be speaking to strangers like you! :mad:

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Originally Posted by Aimless

Er, as in American workers are twice as productive as third world workers in similar jobs??!

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Actually, they're anywhere from 10 to 40 times more productive. American workers have access to better technology (main reason), have far better training, have a better education, live in a more stable society (you'd be surprised how much coups, civil wars, etc. lower productivity), and live in a society with a strong rule of law. So if the pay differential is anything less than that 10-40 times, there's very little incentive for American companies to do business in much of the third world.

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Originally Posted by Young Mage

Because I respect you more than most members on this site and your opinion actually holds some weight.

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Then my opinion is that you should listen to Loki and/or Dread, both of whom know more about economics than I do. Also, for future reference, bribery will get you further with me than flattery will. If you want help deciding what to bribe me with, I prefer redheads, Eastern European vodka, opiates, high end electronics and/or cash. Combine all five for maximum effect.

As to why it's a form of broken window fallacy - because whether we're talking about FDR creating do-nothing jobs, Obama funding failed businesses, or going around breaking windows to "create" work for window makers... ultimately, you're ignoring the fact that the money to pay for it must come from the earnings of "productive" labor at some point, but you're creating this work by destroying the products of "productive" labor. Net negative productivity.

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Originally Posted by Lor

Quit sucking Cain's dick, soon enough he'll have visions of it being a woman and will enjoy it. When that happens, you're in a world of shit.

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Oh please. Give me some credit. I hardly need to rely on my imagination to get my dick sucked. :p All it takes me is a 10 dollar bill. :o

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

So globalization is charity for subsistance farmers and their prostitute wives? You really do have a bleeding heart!

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No, it's mutually beneficial. Like Loki said in the first place. They don't have to scrape out a marginal living trying to grow crops on shitty land and/or whoring themselves out to tourists, and we get [relatively] cheap labor.

Better for both parties.

Of course, if you actually gave a shit about the impoverished people of wherethefuckever, you'd be giving them *your* money instead of complaining when American companies engage in commerce with them.

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Originally Posted by Young Mage

I mean he's Glenn Beck ...

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Considering that I know where you go to school, and have a large collection of firearms, you'll probably want to avoid making that comparison ever again. :mad:

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

Considering that I know where you go to school, and have a large collection of firearms, you'll probably want to avoid making that comparison ever again. :mad:

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Can we start calling you a Becktard? :haha:

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Can we start calling you a Becktard? :haha:

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Sure... I've been itching for an excuse to try out some of these new frangible rounds on a live target. It's one thing to see them explode a watermelon or a frozen turkey, but that doesn't really give you a sense of how much damage it does to an actual limb, or a living organ. Does it render the limb immobile? Cause a target to double over in pain from an obliterated liver? Perhaps even induce unconsciousness from the pain of having a kidney explode? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...rifleshoot.gif

These are the questions you just can't answer shooting at food. Stupid fucking laws... if that methhead wants to rent himself out as a target for one dose of crystal per shot, why can't he? :mad:

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

These are the questions you just can't answer shooting at food. Stupid fucking laws... if that methhead wants to rent himself out as a target for one dose of crystal per shot, why can't he? :mad:

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Who?

It's not like I asked his name or anything. All I needed to hear was "will get shot at for meth."

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

No, it's mutually beneficial. Like Loki said in the first place. They don't have to scrape out a marginal living trying to grow crops on shitty land and/or whoring themselves out to tourists, and we get [relatively] cheap labor.

Better for both parties.

Of course, if you actually gave a shit about the impoverished people of wherethefuckever, you'd be giving them *your* money instead of complaining when American companies engage in commerce with them.

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Ok, on a serious note - On the one hand, I agree and appreciate that globalization is equalizing *some* of the wealth imbalance in the world. On the other hand, there *is* exploitation of various types, depending on how protectionist the outsourcee is. On the last hand, the equalization's not so pretty when you're living in the region whose industry is being resourced to poor countries. And aside from all that, maybe I'm paranoid but I still can't fully accept it's a good idea to move all your heavy manufacturing, metal working, machining, etc to foreign countries. Countries without industry are at a decided disadvantage in old-style wars, the kinds we used to fight before nukes.... Probably we'll never go there again, but still... Notice also we're still protectionist about our food production. If we went full global free trade with food, how easy would it be to cow the United States with a food embargo? You think farm subsidies should go away? I'm not convinced our resistance to doing that is solely due to vote buying.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

It's not like I asked his name or anything. All I needed to hear was "will get shot at for meth."

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But is that a real annecdote or something else?

I thought I pmed you that that High School was my base school and it had more than 4 black people. :/ Wrong school bud. But if you happen to murder those Africans in cold blood. I won't mind.

And i'd appreciate it if you did not post any personal info you happen to come across.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Ok, on a serious note - On the one hand, I agree and appreciate that globalization is equalizing *some* of the wealth imbalance in the world. On the other hand, there *is* exploitation of various types, depending on how protectionist the outsourcee is. On the last hand, the equalization's not so pretty when you're living in the region whose industry is being resourced to poor countries.

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And, ironically, it's exactly those regions that are driving the outsourcing. Seriously.

I don't shop at Walmart (much), and don't give a fuck if I pay an extra 3 bucks for a padlock or a blanket or a fucking jug of milk. Hell, sometimes I'll do it just because I'm too lazy to spend an extra 45 seconds getting it from the local grocery store, and buy it at the overpriced convenience store. I know I could save a few bucks going to the grocery store, and don't give a shit. I'd rather spend the 3 bucks to enable me to not give a fuck.

On the other hand, it's exactly the type of folks who make shit for money in dead-end manufacturing positions who need to save 3 bucks on a padlock, go to Walmart, and increase the pressure on goods manufacturers to outsource jobs to some foreign shithole, instead of relying on labor from the Rust Belt, USA.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that the same retards with "buy American" stickers on their old pickup trucks are the primary driver behind outsourcing American manufacturing jobs overseas. Stupid people being ironical make me laugh.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

And aside from all that, maybe I'm paranoid but I still can't fully accept it's a good idea to move all your heavy manufacturing, metal working, machining, etc to foreign countries. Countries without industry are at a decided disadvantage in old-style wars, the kinds we used to fight before nukes.... Probably we'll never go there again, but still...

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Don't worry about it. If an illiterate Palestinian making 1,000 Shekels a year panhandling in the Gaza strip can make a 500 pound bomb, so can we, regardless of how much heavy industry we outsource. Making the bomb's the easy part. It's the guidance system that lets us put it through a safehouse door without touching the door frame that makes the difference.

So if you want to worry about military supremacy, worry about the outsourcing of our computer jobs and semi-conductor fabrication (to India and China). We don't engage in wars of industrial production anymore... since GW 1, it's been "information war." Remember that? We gutted the world's fourth largest military without a single heavy vehicle lost, and our soldiers had a lower death rate than the general population back home. 1,000 tank divisions don't mean shit when your enemy can destroy them all with guided missiles from 500 miles away.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Notice also we're still protectionist about our food production. If we went full global free trade with food, how easy would it be to cow the United States with a food embargo? You think farm subsidies should go away? I'm not convinced our resistance to doing that is solely due to vote buying.

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Well, it is. It's just politics. We may not have tens of millions of small farmers in this country anymore, but the agricultural industry is responsible for tens of millions of jobs all the same. It's not a group politicians can afford to alienate, and that's got nothing to do with national security. Seriously, we grow so much food in this country that we use millions of tonnes of it as gasoline every year. (9 Billion gallons of ethanol is used in gasoline in the US every year... and it keeps growing.)

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

But is that a real annecdote or something else?

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On the advice of counsel, I am stating that it was a work of fiction, and any similarity to reality, current criminal investigations, or pending civil litigation is entirely unintended and coincidental.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

On the advice of counsel, I am stating that it was a work of fiction, and any similarity to reality, current criminal investigations, or pending civil litigation is entirely unintended and coincidental.

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Yeah, tell us some more tall stories, Cain. Iraq? Canada? Porfessional online poker player? Sexual escapades, including those that were illegal? Drunk driving? C'mon man! What an incredible life you lead!

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Originally Posted by ']['ear

Yeah, tell us some more tall stories, Cain. Iraq? Canada? Porfessional online poker player? Sexual escapades, including those that were illegal? Drunk driving? C'mon man! What an incredible life you lead!

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Wow. You're pretty easy to impress. I mean, fuck, if being a drunk Canuck is impressive to you, what isn't? Hell, if you want a tall tale, I got a way better one than that. This one time, at band camp, I stuck a flute in my pussy! Wicked cool, huh?

But about those illegal sexual escapades... those sound entertaining. Could you tell us one, or are you just taking my pedo-bear postings seriously? Because selective memory is one thing... but selective brain death seems a lot like a mental illness. You should probably have a doctor look at that.

I think Tear's problem is that he's lied so much about himself, he automatically assumes that everyone else lies about themselves, too. Considering that Young Mage was the only one to recently try to use his "accomplishments" to support an argument (and he did provide support for those "accomplishments"), I really see no reason to think that any of the regulars here lie about anything of substance.

I'm glad I did something correctly for once and I did fuck up big time providing people with that. I just didn't want to be like him and just sound like a loud mouth. I'm pretty sure everyone here recognizes I'm diligent and I strive to overachieve but it doesn't necessary mean i'm intelligent or witty.

How have I lied about myself, Loki?

Are you serious?

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Originally Posted by ']['ear

How have I lied about myself, Loki?

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BEST. POST. EVER!

OH MY GOD..

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Originally Posted by Young Mage

I was recently reading the NY Times and I have just realized that we've bounced back from a recession faster than ever before.

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False.

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It was projected that the unemployment rate was going to be 25% prior to Obama bailing us out.

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By whom? What does this prove or disprove?

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And in all honesty, we can't criticize the plan all that much because they had to act fast.

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Why did they? Who are they? You have any proof?

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Prove me wrong, but such a large investment should require companies to provide the government with transparencies and in this case, no such demands were made because they didn't have time for that kind of crap.

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How do you know that "because they didn't have time for that kind of crap."?

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Anyways, we had to use a fiscal policy and run up the deficit in order to salvage whatever was left of the economy.

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That's your opinion, and just not true in fact based on many facts that show the stimulus was wasted, and based on my own personal observations of highway on-ramp enlargement in upper New York and Vermont where there no such enlargement was needed. (1 car every half a minute to a minute is not a busy highway)

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And I was wondering, are we going to blame Obama for running up the deficit?

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That's what he did.

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Are we not going to credit him with saving the economy?

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Why should we? How did he save the economy? DID he save the economy? What economy?

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I know what those lying rightist are going to do at the next election...

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What are they going to do? And why are they lying? And what are they lying about?




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"Any economists will say that when people hoard their money and don’t spend it, there will be a “rosy future” and the long-run will be much more prosperous than the short-run."

WHAT A GEM. Did you pervert that from a "factoid" of some inane history book?

When people don't spend money, they don't influence the economy. That's the only thing you can say. Modern economists agree that developed countries should endeavor for a balanced public and private fiscal policy, which you will horribly fail at understanding...

But, let's give it a whirl...

Then, of course, you get into the definitions of "saving" money and "investing" money. If you consider "saving" money to be actual investment (into banks), and banks are actually acting normally and re-investing this money into private enterprise, then private savings equals private investment, and higher investment means higher growth in most models. However, these "most" models do not consider the benefit of spending money immediately, which raises human capital. (for instance, spending money to buy better quality food instead of junk food that rots your brain and saps your health -- that is an investment that cannot be easily recorded)

A better measure for financial soundness in an economy is measured by taking a look at a country's trade deficit in tandem with actual living conditions.

The "living conditions" measure is called "HDI" (human development index) -- that measure is done by various organizations every year for almost every country.

HDI measures (edit: except for the original "normal" HDI, before Loki complains) take many questions and put a number on it -- questions that *could* include: "What percentage of people have a roof over their heads, and how leaky is it? What's the average education level? What's the infant life expectancy rate? What's the crime rate? How's the nutrition level? What's the political stability--got coup? What's the median income (adjusted for domestic prices of food and haircuts) and what's the "gini coefficient" of the population income? How much do people work and how much do they play?"

The original HDI just takes 3 variables -- education, life expectancy, and income.. because that's all there was to human Resistance when HDI was dreamed up. (well, not really, but those 3 factors were the only statistics available)

The trade deficit affects the possible future spending of an economy. If it's positive, this is possibly bad because it means that people aren't spending as much as they could have to increase their HDI. If it's negative, it's possibly bad because people are possibly wastefully spending money to very marginally increase their HDI at the cost of future reduced HDI spending.

Edit to the 10th power: There are a number of measures that could be called "HDI" measures, though, again, only one measure officially qualifies. I'm liking this measure at the moment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legatum_Prosperity_Index

Bush caused the crisis, and now republicans want to blame Obama.
Anyone with a bit of memory could remember that by the end of Bush administration you had a loss of half a million jobs per month.

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Originally Posted by Aimless

Even if twice the local salary is less than half an American salary?

Do all foreign companies look out for their workers in addition to paying them? Ensure good working conditions? Do those workers have any sort of job security?

I'm not saying globalisation is a bad thing in and of itself, but the impression I've gotten is that, When western companies set up shop in poorly developed regions, they get pretty callous.

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First of all, productivity is a lot higher here, too. Second, the costs of living are a lot lower there too. If I would work for a multinational and work in a third world country, my salary would be adjusted down, too.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Are you serious?

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Absolutely. You like to act like I've been "caught" lying "all over the place." But you can't back that up. Hell, you've been busted with far more inconsistencies in threads than I have.

I'd argue that a guy who felt guilty enough about one lie and confessed in more reliable than a guy, like you, you raison d'etre here seems to be to "score points" in debates. Ness doesn't call you the Prince of Lies for nothing.

So back up you bluster.

So the logic here is apparently:

A liar that admits he is a liar is less of a liar than someone suspected of being a liar but does not admit to being a liar.

IMO the biggest issue is not "You should not lie on an internet forum." it is "Why would you lie on an internet forum?"

If anything, this is a place where you can be completely honest and face no ramifications - real life is not always so accepting.

Telling lies about who you are and what you have done simply to undermine another persons position in a debate is pathetic, it will always be pathetic regardless of the reasons you use to justify it.

Then colearly I should never have come clean. Oh, wait....

Or, we could believe Cain's fantastical stories. Loki's lies are the more dishonest manipulation of posts. They are right there for everybody to see.

Fun Fact: I didn't even know Tear had ever claimed to have had a military background until he made a thread confessing he'd lied about it. In fact, every single piece of information he revealed as false in his confession thread was news to me.

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Originally Posted by ']['ear

Then colearly I should never have come clean. Oh, wait....

Or, we could believe Cain's fantastical stories. Loki's lies are the more dishonest manipulation of posts. They are right there for everybody to see.

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Again you seem to think we should RESPECT you for admitting that you are a liar...

The curious thing now though ][ear is that you are the one constantly reminding people of your status as a self-confessed compulsive liar - it is as if you believe it is something that should be respected.

Perhaps if you chose to move on, then others would do the same - losing that ridiculous sig might be a good start. :up:

Spoiler:

go spam some other threads :up:

And Bush stimulated the economy prior to running. I can't believe the Feds are in bed with them politicians. But seriously, Bush caused an economy who was already producing either at its or close to its "limit". Short-run= everyone benefited
Long-run= see what we have right now.

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Originally Posted by ']['ear

Absolutely. You like to act like I've been "caught" lying "all over the place." But you can't back that up. Hell, you've been busted with far more inconsistencies in threads than I have.

I'd argue that a guy who felt guilty enough about one lie and confessed in more reliable than a guy, like you, you raison d'etre here seems to be to "score points" in debates. Ness doesn't call you the Prince of Lies for nothing.

So back up you bluster.

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One lie? Once again, are you serious? You've lied about just about every aspect of your history just to make yourself look good. :bored: When we talk about the military, you're ex-military. When we talk about religion, you're an ex-Christian. When we talk about Republicans, you're an ex-Republican. But you're right, no lies there. Remind me when I have ever said anything about myself that wasn't true.

Spoiler:

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Originally Posted by Young Mage

Spoiler:

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What? You don't think it's Obama's fault?

I think it's Bush's fault for lowering taxes and adding to the deficit by borrowing money from China. He caused this.

And facepalm was for the two princesses having a cat fight over who gets to be Cain's date to prom.

Because the president passes budgets, right?

Oh yes, I forgot. There's never been a lasting legacy or ramification(s) left by any presidents which outlasted their term(s). :noob:

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Originally Posted by Young Mage

I think it's Bush's fault for lowering taxes and adding to the deficit by borrowing money from China. He caused this.

And facepalm was for the two princesses having a cat fight over who gets to be Cain's date to prom.

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You should read the history book from the chapter that starts with Nixon and read all the way through Reagan.

So where are your attacks against the Democratic Congress that passed the last several of Bush's budgets?

Spoiler:

I thought the previous presidents didn't fuck up America too badly. Hell, they even got us a surplus.

By "presidents", do you mean Clinton along with a Republican Congress? Because Bush Sr. and Reagan had massive deficits (though the former had them due to the latter).