Machines reading human made ballots is very different from voting directly on a machine. First case the problem is understanding what the vote is, second case the problem is data integrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
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Machines reading human made ballots is very different from voting directly on a machine. First case the problem is understanding what the vote is, second case the problem is data integrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
And who's going to verify that all the machines are running the correct version of the software and not some tampered with variant, hmm? You? Are you going to do it? All of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
And who's going to verify that the data that leaves the open source voting machines is the same as the data that arrives at the open source counting machines? You again? You're going to have a very busy election night.
Put it all on the blockchain.
This really is a vote where fact is stranger than fiction, you couldn't make it up.
On one side a judge who allegedly sexually molested children ... on the other side a lawyer who prosecuted Ku Klux Klansmen. Pretty clear light and dark side here.
Come on Alabama, do the right thing.
The latter probably cost Jones at least some votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
So exit polling has most respondents who say they voted for Moore also saying they just don't believe the allegations are true. And unsurprisingly, a majority of the voters had already made up their mind about who to vote for before the allegations surfaced.
I just don't believe the exit polls.
People may well be lying, sure. But do you have any solid reasons, much less evidence (beyond the fact that conservative Alabamans might as well be an alien race to you generally) to think that hundreds of thousands of them at a minimum are actually just fine with preying on young teen women?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Anecdotally, there seem to be a lot of people who both don't "believe" the allegations but also belittle the accusers for not tolerating that kind of behavior. It's hard to tell if people don't believe the women or are simply stating their disgust at the media for airing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
I think we can't resolve this without first determining how Moore's supporters feel about grown men "courting" teenaged girls esp 40 years ago. If you ask people whether they support a pedophile or sexual predator they'll say no, but they might think it's okay for grown men to enthusiastically court teenagers.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
NY Times has a 67% probability of victory for Jones.
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/re...ore-doug-jones
Those numbers are very suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
It does look, however, that Jones has a decent chance to pull out with a narrow victory. Which is actually a pretty big freaking deal.
89% for Jones now.
95% and he has the lead
hot damn
Praise be to the gods of anti-pedophilia.
Sweet Home Alabama :D
:)
Welp, looks like voter fraud is real.
But still, on the off chance that it isn't... can someone please ask Trump to endorse malaria?
Wow. Looking to the west for sunrise this morning... :noob:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Anyway, have we found a limit to the decency Republicans are willing to sacrifice for political victory?
How do you mean? Republicans ended up either endorsing or tolerating Moore, and he won decisively among white voters in Alabama.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
The GOP is now claiming Doug Jones should vote with the Republicans. Unbelievable.
At least they accept he has the right to vote.
Hey now, be nice. Jones is still white after all.
Actually no many Republicans including the senior Republican Senator for Alabama publicly said they couldn't vote for Moore. Had that not happened then Moore may have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Reminds me of the old joke that they could only lose the election if they were found with a dead girl or a live boy in the bed. Glad to see that molesting young girls is a bridge too far too.
Also, reports I heard are about 22k write-in votes were cast, presumably by Republicans who could not stomach voting for Moore and who also would rather die than vote Democrat. If the write-ins had voted for Moore, he would have won. It is fair to say Republican voters in Alabama caused Moore to lose, regardless of the record level black vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Plus turnout was massively down in Republican areas notwithstanding that this was a midterm vote.
There can be no doubt that Moore lost this.
Most senators' comments mid-November were variations on "if true". Week before the election, most of those who commented appear to have basically said, "We'll see what happens." True, this may be an example of damning with faint praise, and it may certainly have dissuaded some Republican voters, but, voters being swayed that easily doesn't mesh well with previously discussed theories about extreme partisanship and disbelief.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
While senators were hemming and hawing, Fox gave us a non-stop full-throated endorsement of Moore, and I don't think it's reasonable to place so much weight on the ambiguous comments of random senators while disregarding the influence of the most important actor in Republican media.
By a hair.Quote:
Reminds me of the old joke that they could only lose the election if they were found with a dead girl or a live boy in the bed. Glad to see that molesting young girls is a bridge too far too.
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Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Much higher turnout than expected esp. among those overwhelmingly likely to vote Democrat and a substantial swing among self-identified independent voters who I believe are ordinarily more likely to vote Republican (if we're looking for the source for a couple of percents' worth of write-in votes). That "record level black vote" was almost all for Jones.
Republican turnout wasn't so much down (relative to what we'd expect from a special election) as Democratic turnout was up. Meanwhile, 8% of Republicans voted for Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Considering the margin of victory that 8% mattered.
All in all Jones benefited from a perfect storm.
8% isn't exactly abnormal, even in an election without slavery supporting pedophiles.
Is this legitimate? Because if it is, its hilarious :haha:
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I suspect its not as with the smaller blocks I'd expect there to have been some blue in the midwestern part of the State.
EDIT: Not really legit, Sessions ran unopposed in 2014.
This is what it looked like 2008 when Sessions trashed his opponent by almost 600,000 votes
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ty%2C_2008.svg
As an impartial and dispassionate observer of American politics, can I just say what a great idea this was:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...strange-241138
Mitch, if you're reading you should do a lot more like this.
Background: some conservatives are promoting conspiracy theories about the election that don't hold up to even the most cursory scrutiny.
Evergreen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
It gets worse:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pastor-...nding-ovation/
Chris Conlee, the lead pastor of the Memphis church where Savage now ministers, prayed for Savage and Woodson.
"It saddens us that Ms. Woodson has not been on the same road to healing," Conlee said.
His boss not only supports the rapist, but he went the extra mile of attacking the victim. He's calling her a bad Christian for not keeping her rape a secret.
Perhaps they really are an alien race.
I'm sad she hasn't healed too. I wonder if the church officials recognize the difference in needs that a victim has for healing vs. a perpetrator? For example, justice. Open acknowledgment of the crime and the harm that was done is good too. Simple honesty wouldn't hurt. Maybe she might have healed better if the Church or the rapist had done any of this stuff.