Racism and Tea Partiers Part Deux

I'm not sure I follow/agree with your first point.

I should note that I don't think it's bad to point out racism at tea party rallies. But I think the media emphasis/hand-wringing on this issue has tarred all grassroots opposition to Obama and our massive over-spending as racist. Every conversation about what Obama is doing wrong suddenly has to be caveated with obvious and useless platitudes, EG, "His achievement is so great for our country, but..." to avoid the masses from jumping town your throat.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

I'm not sure I follow/agree with your first point.

I should note that I don't think it's bad to point out racism at tea party rallies. But I think the media emphasis/hand-wringing on this issue has tarred all grassroots opposition to Obama and our massive over-spending as racist.

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I think you're charging at windmills. I think you want to be the victim of bad media so badly you'll jump at any mention of the word "racism" to shout: See!? Just when you said you don't think it's bad when racism is pointed out, you use that same pointing out to show how awful the media is.

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Every conversation about what Obama is doing wrong suddenly has to be caveated with obvious and useless platitudes, EG, "His achievement is so great for our country, but..." to avoid the masses from jumping town your throat.

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What the fuck? :haha: The masses? Are you for real man?

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Originally Posted by Dreadnaught

Once again Ominous, random groups of people vs. people on a podium endorsed by a group.

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No shit sherlock. I gave you the option of staying on topic and trying to defend these "over the top" speeches, or to follow the tangent. You took the tangent because you have no argument for the other path.

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So because some idiots may have said something to someone in a wheelchair, we should keep borrowing unsustainable amounts of money? It's an immature way to engage in politics,

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Whats immature is thinking these two have anything to do with each other, as Hazir pointed out. Even the most insane groups of people have a worthy goal once in a while.

The Tea Party has an image problem and its not like its a new media created image problem. The racism, better-than-thou, image has been there since the beginning.

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What the Tea Party is unable, or unwilling to do, is to correct that image. Not all the speakers preach hate, I'll give you that. They do have a tendency to incite their followers however. Thats their job. The problem is that there is no clear path. Crowd turns towards homophobia, the organizers/speakers say nothing. Crowd turns towards racism, scream "Nigger!" on capital hill; the podium says nothing. The crowd starts throwing rocks through windows, cutting gas lines, what was the organized response to that?
You can sit here all you want and type as much as you want to claim the Tea Party is not racist, but you're not on the podium. So you have have as much weight on the subject as the people in the crowd screaming for violence, because (using your own words), you were not invited to the podium.

I'm not saying the tea baggers have to have a response to everything. The Republicans do a pretty damn good job of being seen as the party of family values, without having to remind us everytime one of them gets busted for destroying their marriage with a gay lover.
The do however need to make their party goals more clear. You telling me the speakers at these events don't see the hate? Ever?

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

Was that too subtle for you, or are you grasping the point yet?

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Originally Posted by Loki

You're trying to convince OG that conservatives aren't the spawn of Satan and trying to get him to be consistent at the same time? Good luck.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

Frankly, I'm just hoping to bait him a little more, so I can respond by posting Youtube movies of moronic liberals.

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

Definitely too subtle, because you actually CAN see OG saying that.

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Anyone else want to jump on this bandwagon and act like they are still in fucking middle school? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

What the fuck? :haha: The masses? Are you for real man?

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Dread seems to be confusing the masses with the group of friends that don't think like him. Friends that sound more and more like a group of people who keep him in the loop so they can point and laugh, or have an argument with, without yelling at a mirror.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...of-the-teatans :)

And for good measure

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...---tea-bagging

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

Anyone else want to jump on this bandwagon and act like they are still in fucking middle school? :rolleyes:

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:haha: Don't worry OG, that's their tactic when they get stuck---they start calling people names and suggest everyone else is a dumb dolt. It is rather like middle school.

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

What the fuck? :haha: The masses? Are you for real man?

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Someone hasn't experienced the joy that is the New York intelligentsia. :bored:

Since when did NY intelligentsia (or Dread's classmates and coworkers) become "the masses"?

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Originally Posted by Loki

Someone hasn't experienced the joy that is the New York intelligentsia. :bored:

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So, that is justification for using unsupported hyperboles? From a guy complaining about the generalisations in the media?

Let me run that quote again: "Every conversation about what Obama is doing wrong suddenly has to be caveated with obvious and useless platitudes, EG, "His achievement is so great for our country, but..." to avoid the masses from jumping town your throat"

Shakespeare in his day didn't get as dramatic as this.

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Originally Posted by Hazir

I on the other hand think that it's worthwhile to expose the TPP crowd as suspiciously racist,

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Last "TPP" rally had 36 black people in the crowd (out of several hundred), whining about taxes and supporting cutting back the government and such. Those racist bastards!

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

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You know what's funny about that picture? There's a brown-skinned person right underneath the fucking sign. (His head's cut off - right between the 's' in "this" and the 'e' in "entire." OMG, THAT MEANS PEOPLE WHO HATE THE TEA PARTY SUPPORT CUTTING OFF THE HEADS OF BROWN-SKINNED FOLKS!!!!!!1111 :flail::flail::flail::flail:)

Not to bring facts or anything into your little bash-fest, but come on. If you're gonna stage a "Tea Party is racist" photo-op, how hard is it to make sure you're not right in front of a black guy before you snap the shot? Well, it probably involves not being stoned, so probably pretty difficult for you and your ilk.

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

Anyone else want to jump on this bandwagon and act like they are still in fucking middle school? :rolleyes:

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No, I think you're doing a good enough job of acting like a middle schooler for all of us.

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Originally Posted by GGT

Since when did NY intelligentsia (or Dread's classmates and coworkers) become "the masses"?

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Probably since Dread's been surrounded by them... living in NYC and all.

Yeah well, the Nazi's also had a bunch of followers in circles that didn't survive their first go at ruling a country, so what's your point?

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

Probably since Dread's been surrounded by them... living in NYC and all.

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Cool! Then ALL of our anecdotes and home town stories count just as much as his. No citations needed. :up:

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Originally Posted by Hazir

Yeah well, the Nazi's

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Really?

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Originally Posted by GGT

Cool! Then ALL of our anecdotes and home town stories count just as much as his. No citations needed. :up:

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Only if/when you're surrounded by 27 million of your home town's inhabitants.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

You know what's funny about that picture? There's a brown-skinned person right underneath the fucking sign.

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Since I'm not expecting Dread to reply with anything new on the subject, as been the case since the last dozen times this subject has come up, I'm going to entertain this derail of yours.

You're claiming that the person I've circled, is more brown than the sign (much less a "black guy")? We know you suffer from a bad case of selective reading, but this is a whole new level for you.
http://imgur.com/3ehW3.jpg

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

Only if/when you're surrounded by 27 million of your home town's inhabitants.

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What? NYC has about 6 million people, WTF are you talking about?

Yeah, looks "brown"-skinned to me. Especially compared to the white person in the red shirt, to the right.

Or do Latinos and half-negros not count as people to racists like you?

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Originally Posted by GGT

What? NYC has about 6 million people, WTF are you talking about?

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8 million in 2008
the entire state didn't top 20 million last year

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

Yeah, looks "brown"-skinned to me. Especially compared to the white person in the red shirt, to the right.

Or do Latinos and half-negros not count as people to racists like you?

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Didn't answer the question, and I didn't call a female latino a "black guy" :bulb:
Of course, lighting and digital camera exposure (you'll notice how the skin lightens as the body comes out of the shadowy areas), and tanning seem to be foreign concepts to you as well.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

What the hell are you smoking? It has 19.5 million people, according to the 2008 census, and that does not include outlying areas that are functionally (if not legally) part of the city (AKA "suburbs").

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From the site you obviously didn't read, first fucking bullet point:

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As of July 1, 2008, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, the population of the City of New York was 8,363,710, an increase of more than 355,000 persons or 4.4 percent since April 2000.

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

Didn't answer the question, and I don't call female latinos "black guys" :bulb:
Of course, lighting and digital camera exposure (you'll notice how the skin lightens as the body comes out of the shadowy areas), and tanning seem to be foreign concepts to you as well.

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It's sad when liberals are so racist that they can't see brown-skinned folks, even in a blown-up picture, with the brown skin circled. :(

When will you bigots learn to accept people, regardless of the color of their skin, and let the healing begin? :cry::cry::cry::cry:

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

even in a blown-up picture,

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its the original picture size
spoiler tag + shot tag = Dread not bitching about page load times.

buh, whu? NYC is not NY state.

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

its the original picture size
spoiler tag + shot tag = Dread not bitching about page load times.

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So, you're saying then, that you're so racist that you can't see "original" sized brown folks, but you can see super-sized brown folks?

And then, it's probably only to mock them for being fatties. :(

The level of your hatred for other races is truly astounding.

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Originally Posted by GGT

buh, whu? NYC is not NY state.

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No, nor is it Washington state. Or the State of the Union.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

No, nor is it Washington state. Or the State of the Union.

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Duh, and that's why it's bogus for Dread to claim NYC as the center of the masses. :bored:

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Originally Posted by GGT

Duh, and that's why it's bogus for Dread to claim NYC as the center of the masses. :bored:

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Well, like I said, we'll let you make that claim when you're surrounded by 27 million of your home town's inhabitants.

Until then, you'll just have to try understand how someone besieged by millions of retarded, self-important liberal "intelligentsia" could make the mistake of confusing the huge mass of idiots around him with "the masses" in general.

There's no more racism in the TEA Party than there is everywhere else in mainstream America. Oh wait

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

There's no more racism in the TEA Party than there is everywhere else in mainstream America. Oh wait

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No, you had it there for a second. What are we "oh wait"ing for?

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

No, you had it there for a second. What are we "oh wait"ing for?

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Mainstream America's pretty racist.

Well, granted, but I think that the Tea Party bucks that trend by not considering skin color and favoring less qualified black protesters over more qualified white ones. :downcast:

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

You know what's funny about that picture? There's a brown-skinned person right underneath the fucking sign. (His head's cut off - right between the 's' in "this" and the 'e' in "entire." OMG, THAT MEANS PEOPLE WHO HATE THE TEA PARTY SUPPORT CUTTING OFF THE HEADS OF BROWN-SKINNED FOLKS!!!!!!1111 :flail::flail::flail::flail:)

Not to bring facts or anything into your little bash-fest, but come on. If you're gonna stage a "Tea Party is racist" photo-op, how hard is it to make sure you're not right in front of a black guy before you snap the shot? Well, it probably involves not being stoned, so probably pretty difficult for you and your ilk.

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It's probably from Florida, and the guy's Cubano. Everyone knows Cuban-Americans might as well be Caucasian. They tend to vote Republican, after all.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

Well, like I said, we'll let you make that claim when you're surrounded by 27 million of your home town's inhabitants.

Until then, you'll just have to try understand how someone besieged by millions of retarded, self-important liberal "intelligentsia" could make the mistake of confusing the huge mass of idiots around him with "the masses" in general.

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Nonsense. It's just more New Yorker Syndrome. The City is the center of the universe, remember?

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

It's probably from Florida, and the guy's Cubano. Everyone knows Cuban-Americans might as well be Caucasian. They tend to vote Republican, after all.

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Very true.

Look, I found another Caucasian at a TEA PARTY rally. And she's being prominently profiled on the "Black Voices" website.

Those insidious, Caucasian bigots, infiltrating everything!

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

Nonsense. It's just more New Yorker Syndrome. The City is the center of the universe, remember?

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I'll take your word for it. I've never been surrounded my millions of liberals I wasn't allowed to shoot at, so I really don't know a lot about the phenomenon. :o

Cain has never been to the Left Coast? :eek:

the protest picture isn't from Florida :bulb: If remember our original discussion correctly, this was at the protest in Houston.

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Originally Posted by GGT

Cain has never been to the Left Coast? :eek:

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Nope. And he won't head over that way until he's stocked up about 80 million rounds for his M4, either. :p

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

the protest picture isn't from Florida :bulb: If remember our original discussion correctly, this was at the protest in Houston.

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And Texan Latinos don't count as people to you liberals? (Though given how white that white guy is, I doubt that's a Texas picture - people in Texas tend to get tans and all.)

Shameful how you're so arbitrarily willing to consider people as sub-humans based on arbitrary factors like skin color and where they live. :(

OG, if you had to guess, what percentage of the people who are opposed to Obama are opposed to him because they are racist?

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

And Texan Latinos don't count as people to you liberals? (Though given how white that white guy is, I doubt that's a Texas picture - people in Texas tend to get tans and all.)

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I'm amazed at how easily you try and turn your own trolling remark in actual fact. No one made any claim of the person being latino except you. I assumed it was because it you were bored and trolling, and not actually this blind. You even complain that the sign holder is too white, but ignore the possible tan on the lady you called a black guy :noob:

The original flickr pic is down, but the guy in the picture is mentioned in this news posting.

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Originally Posted by Loki

OG, if you had to guess, what percentage of the people who are opposed to Obama are opposed to him because they are racist?

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103%?

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

I'm amazed at how easily you try and turn your own trolling remark in actual fact. No one made any claim of the person being latino except you. I assumed it was because it you were bored and trolling, and not actually this blind. You even complain that the sign holder is too white, but ignore the possible tan on the lady you called a black guy :noob:

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I was actually referring to the white guy in the red shirt (beside the black/latino guy/girl who you can't even acknowledge as a person, because of your extreme racism), who has clearly not been out in the sun in at least 7 years, he's so fucking white. I've seen darker looking Klan costumes.

Same deal with the fat chick behind the sign-douche, wear those boxy sunglasses. Reeeeealy white.

Okay so if the Tea Party People are not racist, then why is this whole thread turning into some racist flaming match? Are you NON Tea Party People trying to show how NON racist you are, by bringing up racism?

Cut them some slack. The only "argument" they have left at this point is the race card... we might as well let them suck at playing it.

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Originally Posted by Loki

OG, if you had to guess, what percentage of the people who are opposed to Obama are opposed to him because they are racist?

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5%.
"He's a Muslim, I'm afraid :cry:" 10%.
"Glenn Beck said he is leading us to communism" 25%
"My guy lost the election and now all of a sudden the government does things I disagree with. This didn't happen when Bush was president. It's tyranny! It's an outrage!" 55%

If I had to guess.

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Originally Posted by CitizenCain

Well, granted, but I think that the Tea Party bucks that trend by not considering skin color and favoring less qualified black protesters over more qualified white ones. :downcast:

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