Seems to me that Loki has gone increasingly leftwing for years now and dislikes Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
If Boris was a Lib Dem leader with the same alleged foibles and pro-Remain I don't think Loki would blink an eyelid.
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Seems to me that Loki has gone increasingly leftwing for years now and dislikes Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
If Boris was a Lib Dem leader with the same alleged foibles and pro-Remain I don't think Loki would blink an eyelid.
He's a liar who lies on camera. That's the character of the irredeemable chancer you're defending with such ardor.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Just to be clear, Loki accused him of being a liar—which he demonstrably is—and of pissing off his family—which he appears to have done—and of being corrupt—which, in light of the Arcuri matter, is arguably the case—and of being an awful person—which, considering what he permitted during his stint at The Spectator, and his more recent remarks about black people and women in burkas, is a fair charge—yet your cultist instinct makes you say he's literally none of those things. He is undoubtedly—famously!—a liar. You have totally lost all semblance of integrity.
@randy
Delivering Brexit is something that the cat of number 10 could have done, so your standard for 'consequential PM' is rather low. It eludes me why you think that getting a worse deal than May is proof of anything positive about the man.
Sad that you are still members tomorrow.
I'm still waiting for the riots and explosions we were supposedly going to get from the passionately angry public: furious at the mutinous remainer parliament.
Wait till they get hangry
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When you know your audience
Who said that?
Edit; don't worry it's all over Twitter. Rod Liddle. Odious man.
Odious despicable prick. :mad:
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Originally Posted by gogobongopop
We'll see in the ballot box.
Well according to JCM today will be the end of the Tory party. So yes, let's see.
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Originally Posted by gogobongopop
We weren't the ones to block Brexit, so its the end of this zombie Parliament instead.
You say Rod Liddle, but I say it's the Spectator. They're the ones who have cultivated him, given him a platform, and amplified his message of hate. That said, he makes a valid point: Tories do like to inconvenience students on election day.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
Using the Trumpian strategy of deflecting through ad hominem? Every thing I said is demonstrably true. FYI (and this is undoubtedly supported by my posts here), my views align fairly well with the pre-2016 Conservative Party. I didn't become any more left wing. Your Conservative Party decided to abandon pragmatic liberal conservatism in favor of a corrupt nationalism. Any party that would debase itself by appointing Boris Johnson as its leader (by a huge margin no less) is a not party that deserves anyone's respect. Ditto for Labour and Corbyn, but Corbyn has no shot at getting a majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
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Originally Posted by Loki
Yes you did and continue to do so. The ERG and PM blocked Brexit earlier in the year, and now our PM is blocking brexit by a) bringing legislation too late for scrutiny and b) pulling it away from a parliamentary second reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
These are facts.
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Originally Posted by gogobongopop
The only reason we are still in the EU is that Parliament voted to extend Article 50 in March, April and October. Neither the ERG nor the PM ever voted to extend on any of those 3 occasions. Remainer May voted to extend in March and April and the Remainers opposite in Parliament who scream about the dangers of no deal have rejected every deal the EU has negotiated with us - which is funny, because apparently we would unquestioningly accept all EU laws in future without having a say in that if we remain in the EU even if the laws have been passed by QMV against our wishes - but to accept these agreements the EU have reached is apparently unacceptable. If these rules the EU have agreed are not acceptable then remaining in the EU should itself be unacceptable too - if we should remain in the EU and unquestioningly accept EU rules then why not accept this agreement which the EU have agreed?
That's not the only reason week still in the EU, as I've outlined above.
And we can't accept the deal now because the PM has pulled it.
Interesting to see this Trumpian use of labels alongside names. "Remainer May" is less informative than "Habitual Liar Johnson".
Brexit Party launching their campaign today. They are clearly out to damage and attack the Tory party.
Farage says Johnson's deal isn't Brexit, they will stand in every single seat, and that Johnson's deal is so closely aligned to the EU he has no doubt there would be a campaign to remain which would win.
Very interesting.
You think Trump was the first person to label people they dislike? You've had a sheltered life if so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
The PM pulled it because Parliament was obfuscating and didn't pass it in a timely fashion - in the timetable set by the Benn Act as appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
Irrelevant hasbeen.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
I hope he does stand. If he does I think he will attract votes from former Labour voters who will habitually never vote for the Tories. I think Tory-inclined leavers will vote for the Tories.
It was a timetable set by the Tory leadership. If he'd brought his deal earlier, which he should have done, there would have been plenty of time. The Benn act did nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
And an irrelevant has-been that you voted for and legitimised. Good job.
I think your style of compulsively appending simplistic labels to your enemies' names is very reminiscent of the way Trump and his kooky base speak of their enemies. But, if we're going to use labels, "Habitual Liar Johnson" is far more accurate than "Remainer May"; after all, May stopped campaigning for Remain after the referendum, and worked to negotiate an exit, whereas Johnson has continued to be a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
No it wasn't a timetable set by the Tory leadership, it was a timetable literally inserted into the Benn Act.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
Literally section 1 of the Benn Act.The Benn Act gave a deadline of 19 October 2019 to agree a deal and put a Meaningful Vote before the House and get it approved, leaving the rest of October to then ratify the deal. The government complied with that deadline and put down a Meaningful Vote in the timescale proscribed, only to have Letwin conspire with Remainers to void the MV and circumvent the deadline put forth in the Benn Act.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Benn Act, section 1
So, do we think BoJo is going to do a deal with Nigel?
About as likely as him making a deal with Corbyn.
Like the one to have an election in December ?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
No deal was reached with Corbyn about that. He was outmaneouverd, outgunned, tried to stop it until it was blindingly obvious to everyone that he couldn't, then he jumped on board screaming 'bring it on' after his attempts to frustrate it failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
So yeah, just like that.
Or the deal he had to take before being forced to lie dead in a ditch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Its a decent deal.
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I'm guessing it's because most people want to see a referendum executed; they know a lack of fulfillment will mean greater entrenchment of the media/policy elite that happens to be anti-Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
I sincerely hope that someone is paying for your heel turn.
Farage has confirmed he's defeated before the campaigning even begins - he's not even running personally.
This confirms what I've long said, I've voted twice now to make Farage cease to be a politician in the UK. The second we Brexit he is history.
Farage will never be history ... I've said this before on this forum, and him not standing for the election is exactly as I predicted.
Farage loves attention, he loves being in the headlines, but he certainly does not want the significant scrutiny that standing for office brings.
He's a weasel at his core. Being in this position where he's snapping around at the heels of and being critical of those who are/are trying to be in elected office, but not subject to the same scrutiny as them, is a perfect place for a weasel, where he can be as weaselly as he likes with his words and weasel his way out of anything without any accountability whatsoever.
Because of this, you will never see the back of him.
I still want to know where he's getting the resources to run candidates in every seat in England and Wales. UKIP never managed that.
Would not surprise me if it's a combination of misappropriation of EU money and foreign interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
I thought fielding a candidate in every seat was an idle threat / hyperbole / weasel words. I didn't think BXP were actually intending to do so!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Wonder if they'll actually get a seat or two.
Habitual Liar Boris Johnson:
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This is the third time this year that the Daily Telegraph has been forced to issue a correction to material by Johnson, its star £275,000-a-year columnist, who is currently on leave from the news outlet while he serves as prime minister.
In April the newspaper was forced to correct his claim that a no-deal Brexit was the most popular option among the British public, while this summer it partially corrected his claims about a convicted drug dealer. All the corrections followed successful complaints to the press regulator Ipso.
*fingers in ears* nurr nurr he's not a liar he's not a liar nurr nurr