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It does. Shitty employers see their decent employees quit so they only get crap employees. Good employers with good employees makes for better business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
How much experience do you have of being an employer? Have you found it better to be good or crap to your employees?
6 deaths now in Seattle.
This is out of control in the USA. It takes 7-10 days before the symptoms reach a peak and these are people that were completely off the radar not even known to be sick.
WTF!? :mad:Quote:
Dr. Matt McCarthy, a staff physician at New York-Presbyterian:
“I’m here to tell you, right now, at one of the busiest hospitals in the country, I don’t have [a rapid diagnostic test] at my finger tips.” “I still have to make my case, plead to test people. This is not good. We know that there are 88 cases in the United States. There are going to be hundreds by middle of week. There’s going to be thousands by next week. And this is a testing issue.”
“In New York State, the person who tested positive is only the 32nd test we’ve done in this state,” he said. “That is a national scandal. [...] They’re testing 10,000 a day in some countries and we can’t get this off the ground,” McCarthy said. “I’m a practitioner on the firing line, and I don’t have the tools to properly care for patients today.” (Video, CNBC)
America is a very rich third world country.
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Originally Posted by RandBlade
*whistles innocently*Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
That 43 total is total codswallop.
Note what's missing in the second screenshot.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
I noticed it straight away.
I decided to work from home for the rest of the week. Which has the added advantage that I have two hours every day I don't need to commute but which I can use to walk outside with Bella. We've got this really nice pond not too far away which takes about 1,5 hours to walk around.
I've got a cold by the way, but it feels like a regular nose cold.
So, what's more likely, that pretty much every multinational has missed a trick or that they ran the numbers and worked out it's better to just take the higher turn over rate? Or just realize the majority of their staff have no real alternative, for whatever reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
So with the reported deaths in Seattle my father went into his old survival nut mode. Not as bad as during that Ebola outbreak, he didn't buy a bunch of guns and dehydrated food supplies, but he insisted I spend my free afternoon helping him buy loads of long-lasting or easily-prepped food supplies and a massive stock of over-the-counter sickness supplies.
With a case in my county the citizens have prepared in the only way they know how. Buying up all the hurricane supplies.
My entire county is out of toilet paper. I also saw a lady pushing an entire cart full of bananas, which I thought was a little on the nose.
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Originally Posted by Wraith
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NYC is on its first day of testing? First day? FIRST? DAY?
And what a shock, people are testing positive. America isn't even bothering to contain this. We should update our travel advice to say don't travel to America unless necessary.
Let's not go nuts; it wasn't confirmed that the virus was in the wild in the US until this last weekend. NYC has only one confirmed case so far, and it isn't known to be loose there.
Speaking of going nuts, all the US deaths so far have happened within 20 miles of me, so I'm starting my self-imposed quarantine today. I'll be reserving some of my supply of toilet paper to offer only to those who swear an oath of fealty to me in the coming post-apocalyptic society.
thread worthy of a read. Have I mentioned that the US is fucked?
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Honestly, this escalated so quickly some confusion is to be expected. In the Seattle region specifically, this turned in to a full-on panic yesterday/today, so it's not surprising that facilities are currently overloaded and trying to triage patients. There's a ton of people who just developed psychosomatic coronavirus.
It was in the wild before then, you just weren't bothering to test your people at risk so it wasn't caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith
We've had 51 cases found so far from 18,000 tests - almost every single one of those 51 had got it overseas, brought it back with them and then because of being tested have been isolated until they get cured stopping this entering the wild.
We're doing more tests DAILY than the US has done to date, despite being a fraction of our size. If you were proportionately doing the same rate of tests the CDC would have done over 100k tests by now, not 500.
This is why you test people at risk BEFORE it goes wild and they infect more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith
I agree, its so unnecessary. As it stands the UK FCO has a list of countries and regions to avoid travelling to. The USA should be added to this list soon IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Not buying it. This shit didn't originate here. We knew it was only a matter of when, not if, so why are we getting caught with our pants down this far into the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith
Where are you getting the information that nobody was being tested? AFAIK, there was targeted testing on everyone who may have been exposed, and there've been numerous quarantines on anyone who traveled to regions with confirmed outbreaks. You can't honestly have expected them to start testing all 8.54 million NYC residents - facilities and supplies are limited, and there hasn't been enough lead time to completely spin up mass production of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
You guys are greatly underestimating how long it takes for these things to spin up. We knew it was only a matter of when, but until the weekend it looked like we had weeks left to prepare. Containment wasn't known to be breached until recently, and the virus hasn't spread nearly as far or as fast as people are acting like it has. This is a panic now, and the sudden and massive resource drain is exactly why we were trying to avoid a panic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
The CDC website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith
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At the time the CDC was reporting 472 tests the UK Chief Medical Officer who is tweeting our stats every single day was reporting 11,750 - equivalent to almost 70k in America if you scale for size of country.
http://theworldforgotten.com/showthr...l=1#post212750
No. We flew infected home against CDC wishes. We let the infected walk around free, we had people caring for the infected without training or protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith
What were we doing in regards to all the returning travels from infected areas?
In all seriousness, are you sure? How do you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith
No it doesn't take long for these things to spin up, that's what the CDC literally exists for. Why would you have weeks left to prepare when the rest of the world was already acting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith
Containment wasn't known to be breached because containment wasn't begun. Our media has been reporting daily all the warning signs, saying to self-isolate if you have any symptoms, do not go to see a doctor and to call 111 and someone on 111 will advise you your next steps. As a result over a thousand people per day have been getting tested based upon that and we've caught a number of people, almost all were from overseas. Those who haven't been overseas they've traced back to find who did bring it in. Those who've been in contact with those who've tested positive have been tested. Our Chief Medical Officer (not a politician) is in charge of our response and has been on camera every day since this began. Our PM has been on camera talking to the media on stage with the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Science Officer to try and give calm advice, not ranting against the media calling it a hoax and handing responsibility over this to his deputy.
The way to avoid a panic is to test people and isolate those who've brought it back so they don't spread it. Its not to bury your heads in the sand until after people start dying.
Please give me ONE good reason the CDC could only test 472 in the same time period we'd tested 11,750.
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again, fucked.
Someone on a UK politics site I go to has just made the point that Super Tuesday is going to be a tremendous vector for transmitting this virus, with your bloody electronic voting machines. :concerned:
I just voted and they only had a paper ballot, filled out like a exam with bubble answers and counted with a machine you don't touch (but using community pens lol).
but still, lots of people in long lines and tiny cramped rooms. almost all of them democrats
Someone died LAST WEEK in the USA due to Coronavirus but its only been discovered they even had it today
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Meanwhile yesterday was officially the first day of NYC's testing. Before yesterday we'd already completed over 12.5k tests and NYC, one of the worlds most connected cities, had conducted ZERO!
Was there some reason to believe nobody in NYC ever visits China?
This should be criminally negligent.
I'm not defending the administration's response, just the local facilities ability to deal with the sudden influx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
@Rand - North America has been hit with much less than Europe has. We're at about the point of spread that Europe was at nearly a month ago.
There've only been a couple known breaches so far. While the 2-14 day incubation period is scary and implies there are more unknown breaches, it hasn't had much time to make enough jumps to affect a large number of people. People are acting like there's millions in the US infected already, but it's probably unlikely to be more than a few thousand. This is bad and going to get worse, but the panic that's happening right now is unwarranted. It's time to start taking reasonable precautions, not freak out.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
If North America is where Europe was a month ago why would you have weeks more to prepare from here? Why would you be blindsided now?
Its worth realising that its believed the entire Italy epidemic that has broken out was started by just one carrier bringing it into the country. One single person who spread it to others who exponentially spread it to others has now resulted in thousands infected.
America doesn't have one person walking around with this infection. With 7 dead already you've probably given the mortality rate got more than a thousand carrying this already.
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The president is ignorant and dumb, and he doesn't even know it.
Most of the dead were because the first uncontained outbreak was in a nursing home where everyone was already on their way out. You're extrapolating from the wrong numbers - you should be using the number of people with unknown infection paths. As of yesterday at least, we were still in the single digits of those. We didn't even get #2 until last Friday. Don't blow things out of proportion; right now panic is still a bigger threat than the virus, and you're not helping.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
News that someone died last week and they are just not discovering it was covid-19, and knowing that most cases are relatively mild (so also getting missed), tells me this thing could be, probably is, much more widespread than we know. When you keep using "known" as a qualifier, it says something. I'm not panicking, but it's kinda scary, and I have to ask some of the same questions Rand is - why the fuck are we just now getting test kits out to hospitals? What, did the Trump admin seriously think all they had to do was restrict some travel and it's all good? We've known this is serious for two months, and only last week do hospitals start getting access to testing kits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith
See Lewk's recent post to this effect. Answer is "yes", and so did his supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
The administration's response has been dumb, and they waited too long to start travel bans and quarantines, and a more competent administration probably could have kept this contained for longer. It's a bit of luck that we managed to go as long as we did before an outbreak started. I don't know enough of the background on the testing kits issue to speak to it specifically, but it's unreasonable to expect local hospitals have the scale to test millions of people, and I don't believe Rand's claim that testing has only just started.