"Tax Everything"

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Originally Posted by GGT

Hey there, Lewk is the one complaining about a proposed excise tax (on space flights for billionaires) but then conflates it with an income tax (because it would only impact billionaires). :bored:

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It is kinda mind-boggling that the guy who loves flat excise taxes on the lower and middle classes, like the sales tax, hates the idea of a similar tax on luxuries that the rich use.

But one day he, too, can be a billionaire! He'll never be one of the poors.

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Originally Posted by Loki

But one day he, too, can be a billionaire! He'll never be one of the poors.

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"Imagine believing everyone is only interested in self interest instead of principle. I'll never be a billionaire but I would never support a billionaire tax."

But I repeat myself.

The principle being that there shouldn't be a tax on stuff rich people buy when similar taxes already exist on all kinds of other products? Because there's a need to force the elderly into poverty?

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Originally Posted by Loki

The principle being that there shouldn't be a tax on stuff rich people buy when similar taxes already exist on all kinds of other products? Because there's a need to force the elderly into poverty?

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No you shouldn't tax anyone's stuff.

Have you considered moving to the tax-free paradise known as Somalia?

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Originally Posted by Being

Careful guys, we already lost Randblade to bullying.


Lewk, without getting into how government should work, how would you fund it?

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A. Randblade quit?

B. Lewk is completely shameless. He's been taking abuse for all his dumb ideologies for a very long time and not only hasn't learned a thing from it, apparently hasn't taken any real offense either.

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

Proportional tax: Everyone pays the same percentage of their income, the same proportion, say 15%

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Sounds like a flat rate to me.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

A. Randblade quit?

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More likely he banned himself so he could concentrate on other things. Remember the old days when he would ask the moderators to ban him so he could concentrate on studies? One year the moderators were all new and he almost didn't get unbanned because they had no clue what was up.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Sounds like a flat rate to me.

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While you sound like a flat head to me. I could say that a graduated income tax designed to leave everyone with 51% of their income was also flat. Or one that left everyone precisely the same amount of wealth. Since you want to play semantic games to try and making things more confusing rather than less.

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

While you sound like a flat head to me. I could say that a graduated income tax designed to leave everyone with 51% of their income was also flat. Or one that left everyone precisely the same amount of wealth. Since you want to play semantic games to try and making things more confusing rather than less.

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Oh bull shit Fuzzy. You know flat rate is the common understanding RE a "flat income tax." You just want to flex your "superior knowledge" all over GG. Who are you trying to impress? :rolleyes:

Suspect half or more of all people interested in discussing flat tax understand the term as a shorthand for "flat rate tax", and only a small minority understand it as a fixed nominal payment. The proportionality and progressive or regressive nature of a flat tax system can be adjusted in various ways.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Oh bull shit Fuzzy. You know flat rate is the common understanding RE a "flat income tax." You just want to flex your "superior knowledge" all over GG. Who are you trying to impress? :rolleyes:

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A "flat rate" tax is commonly understood as a sales tax, and it is regressive. A proportional tax is not regressive, but she mentioned it at the exact same time and as part of the same apparent concept, and in reply to Lewk who literally was talking about a flat nominal amount (not even a sales tax, but a genuinely flat income tax) Which is why I spoke up about her mixing her concepts. The way she does every time.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

"Imagine believing everyone is only interested in self interest instead of principle. I'll never be a billionaire but I would never support a billionaire tax."

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

No you shouldn't tax anyone's stuff.

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Self-interest instead of principle, huh? You don't want a federal sales/excise tax on "stuff", and you don't want a proportional income tax, either -- based on your *principle* that teh gov't is inefficient and intrusive (and maybe that taxation is theft)? I recall you also don't want a corporate tax -- based on your *principle* that it's unfair double-taxation.

Maybe you think it's in your self-interest to have a gov't so small that it can't fund big, important things for the common good. Like that Grover Norquist guy who wants to shrink it so small it can be drown in a bathtub. But then you'd still have crumbling infrastructure, substandard airports and public buildings, toxic water, lead poisoning, etc.

Hell, Texas couldn't even keep their electric grid working after a cold snap where people froze to death....so you had to call on FEMA and other federal agencies for help. Last I checked Texas uses more in federal funds than they contribute in taxes, and the oil industry still gets subsidies. Your flat income tax proposal wouldn't actually fix anything, and starving the gov't of revenue won't make us a better nation. :donkey:

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

A "flat rate" tax is commonly understood as a sales tax, and it is regressive. A proportional tax is not regressive, but she mentioned it at the exact same time and as part of the same apparent concept, and in reply to Lewk who literally was talking about a flat nominal amount (not even a sales tax, but a genuinely flat income tax) Which is why I spoke up about her mixing her concepts. The way she does every time.

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Sorry. :(