Now that was a sounding success. If achieving next to nothing and a brawl with your neighbors were on your to do list.
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Now that was a sounding success. If achieving next to nothing and a brawl with your neighbors were on your to do list.
Tragicomic to see English journos and pols finally reading the deal Johnson sold them in 2019 :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
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But it gets better:
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Like, 2 out of 3 NATO member states are in the EU, while the US has been upbraiding Johnson for days over his asshattery :haha:
Bullshit. Time to get out of your FBPE Twitter circlejerk.
I'm going to have to check what the Turkish position is now.
Funny though that this whole playing to the home crowd has become the only play they do. With nobody else really giving a fuck about how difficult they make things for themselves.
*Mic Drop*
Officially announced now: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57478412
Boom! :)
Congrats. It's not exactly a game changer though:
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For the government's own estimates say the new arrangements may add just 0.02% to our GDP, and the impact on prices negligible.
FTAs of this particular variety almost never are. Eliminating regulatory barriers, facilitating movement, etc. are more important. The govt. has been conspicuously silent about concrete metrics such as impact on GDP, savings for the average household, numbers of jobs expected to be added, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Nothing is. The reality was always going to be that Britain is a modern developed economy whether we were in Europe or out, all of this is about fine margins which is why politics mattered as much if not more than economics. What decisions are made in the UK will matter far more than any amount of deals. Besides all such modelling is as bullshit as Warwick University modelling for SAGE that we're going to have 54,000 Covid19 deaths this summer. Models are simply a function of the assumptions people make, garbage in, garbage out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
But we've got a zero tariff/zero quota deal with Europe and now we can start to grow our agreements from there. This is the first one and more will follow, hopefully this is the first step on the path to full CPTPP membership which will put us in a bigger tariff free market than the EU itself, as well as still remaining tariff and quota free with Europe.
As importantly and on principle, I will no longer have to pay extra taxation from the fact my favourite alcohol is Australian shiraz. My second favourite is Argentinian malbec so might have to put up with taxes on that longer. Still thanks for the Congrats, I'm glad you can be happy for us, this is something I vote to facilitate and I'm glad its come true. :up:
That, but what do you think about the fact that their Parliament has no say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Par for the course... the UK is not a very good democracy, and their legislature seems bizarrely disinterested in scrutinizing the deals they sign (leading to these undignified reversals and attempts at revisionism down the line). These people have no integrity or dignity; they're acting out of desperation, because they need "wins" to appease the domestic public and to save face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Yeah, it's odd though. Their continuous whining about lack of democracy and sovereignty and then basically abdicate both to a couple of chancers who wouldn't know accountability if it slapped them in their faces with a big fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
I'm seriously happy we're rid of them as members, they are very toxic neigbors, they were even worse as union members. Now at least we can ignore them most of the time.
LOL :haha:
It's not that odd. Shame, humiliation, disgrace, all have a tendency to make people—infantile middle-aged men in particular—behave in dysfunctional ways. You'll recall that, under English rules, you score points in Brexitball by moving the goalposts :) in England, it counts as an expression of democracy and sovereignty so long as the people engaging in antidemocratic actions are English. It's like that old libertarian caricature about how there's no greater freedom than the freedom to "choose" slavery; there's no greater expression of democracy than electing people to undermine democracy. Wrt democracy, the electorate has brain-worms. I take no pleasure in seeing them debase themselves like this... it makes life difficult for everyone, and the fremdschämen is almost suffocating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
It seems like the De Pfeffel clown circus has started to see the light on NI. They asked the EU for extra time on the Irish sea border rather than state they will break the law.
Good to offer the EU a ladder to climb down from. :up:
They're in a difficult position after the stern reprimands from Biden. But I have no doubt they're preparing a fresh round of dumbfuckeryQuote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Biden doesn't care, nor is he relevant.
Britain holds all the cards. Either you climb down with the ladder we've offered you via you agreeing to an "extension" rather than us unilaterally doing it, or we unilaterally extend or follow the EU's precedent in invoking Article 16.
I'm sure they think they can do whatever. But we all know the reality. And that's they're a little island off the coast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Comedy gold classic hits there Hazir. The old ones are the best. :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
As delicious as the well-deserved mockery—and the triumphalism—has been, if I'm honest with myself, I really do think England has a decent shot at becoming a sort of "Angry Canada" within a decade, which is really quite good. It's just the tiresome and toxic antics along the way that I'm not looking forward to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
I'm a little older and I remember the England pre-membership and they actually were quite bad at governing themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
I don't see any evidence to the contrary.
Yes but they were malnourished at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
the pro-business party:
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Absolutely.
If they want more drivers they can increase pay rates. Supply and demand.
Wanting to hire people on Eastern European wages isn't a right.
I'm not certain but I guess the Poots resignation is brexit news.
What a circus.
Poots has nothing to do with Brexit.
He's a batshit crazy creationist who think the 18th century is too modern. He's too extreme even for the rest of the DUP politicians.
He'd maybe fit in with the fringes of the GOP but how the UK got a politician like that is beyond me. Just goes to show Northern Ireland really is another place.
Glad he's not sticking around and didn't even last a month.
how it started vs. how it's going
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It's automatic
Vote Leave didn't negotiate this, regrettably Remainer Theresa May won power remember? The Settled Status scheme is what the EU negotiated with Theresa May. *shrug*
Not really a big deal, by now everyone ought to have applied.