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He is an idiot. Sometimes the easiest answer is the right one.
But why should neighboring states pay the price for Kemp's idiocy?
Apparently, he was trying to suck up to Trump and Trump told him the plan was a great idea.
https://apnews.com/a031d395d414ffa655fdc65e6760d6a0
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The NYT has both-sidesed drinking bleach.
They deleted it:
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The best part of this is the anguish Lewk is feeling over wanting to post the asinine defense of Trump's moronic statements last night but seeing no way to do it without exposing himself to risk of savage mockery of his own stupidity.
Lewk is worried about looking stupid?
He's growing as a person if so.
But remember y'all the man who wants you to inject yourself with bleach is somehow qualified to appoint "good judges"
The USA got to be the cowboy...
USA Cowboys Make Another Mistake
Cc cowboys ;)
(cc = coca-cola)
The uv-c idea was kind of inventive though. Too bad it wasn't a feasible idea since it damages the lung tissue too much.
For the record I think Georgia is moving prematurely however you got to decide what you want to see make the call on these things. The National Government or the State Government. Pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
Kinda hard to do with Mr. Wishy-Washy expressing diametric stances one minute to the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Why not local governments, whom Kemp is consistently overruling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
When your brain is a whole fuckin' galaxy:
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You mean obesity isn't caught by viral person to person transmission? If it and ignorance were it would explain so much about modern America.
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Gentlemen... raise your eyebrows
Huge if true:
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This is a little off topic except that it makes me feel a little optimistic...
Sunset to Daylight
https://nypost.com/2020/04/26/scienc...lockdowns/amp/
"When states and hospitals abruptly stopped “nonessential” procedures and surgery, that didn’t mean unimportant care. Treatments for the most serious illnesses, including emergency care, were missed. Some estimate about half of cancer patients deferred chemotherapy. Approximately 80 percent of brain surgery cases were skipped. Perhaps half or more of acute stroke and heart-attack *patients missed their only chances for early treatment, some dying and many now facing permanent disability. Transplants from living donors are down 85 percent from the same period last year.
And that doesn’t include the skipped cancer screenings, avoided childhood vaccinations, missed biopsies of now-undiscovered cancers numbering thousands per week — and countless other serious disorders left undiagnosed."
On a personal note a family member who needed (and still needs) surgery couldn't get one scheduled due to this Covid shit even though Texas hasn't been hard hit. The all or nothing stupidity is particularly galling. Making hospitals empty "just in case" is asinine. Obviously places like NYC and New Orleans should cancel all but the most critical of surgeries but many hospitals have only a handful of cases.
Those were state government decisions -- Gov. Abbott suspended elective procedures in Texas. But it was the right thing to do since PPE was in short supply, and hospitals didn't know yet what the tipping point would be. The goal was to protect hospital workers and not overwhelm patient capacity. Not to mention potential liability exposure if people got infected AT the hospital. :bored:
His new orders to re-open supersedes local control, so why aren't you bitching about that?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/polit...rus/index.html
Since I'm bored, I'll take issue with Lewk's New York Post article:
States didn't abruptly stop "nonessential" hospital procedures but *elective* procedures. They didn't close Emergency Departments or furlough paramedics/EMTs or ambulance services. If people didn't call 911 for symptoms of stroke or heart attack...it was likely because they feared getting covid-19 IN the hospital setting. That's a human behavior issue for PSAs and public education.
There's a difference between general cancer screenings and "diagnostic testing" (biopsies, xrays). Also, most chemotherapy is done on an out-patient basis, and that includes home infusions. If patients were deferring chemo....it was probably because they worried that caretakers could infect them (because they have contact with multiple patients, but not the necessary PPE).
Organ transplants are also down because there are fewer accidents when people stay-at-home; less driving means fewer car accidents, etc.
Parents who don't get their kids vaccinated might also fall into the "anti-vaxxer" crowd. It's a problem, for sure. But that's also a human behavior issue that PSAs and public education can address.
Lewk, your complaints about this "Covid shit" aren't validated by this one poorly written article. What you want to blame on teh big bad gummint is really about the Insurance industry and lobbyists buying political influence, science be damned, profits over people. :donkey:
And you can't muse about the wisdom of the Swedish freeedom model when we don't have their NHS or high-taxes that fund it.
Trump is hazardous to human health.Quote:
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Generous estimate of the average annual number of flu deaths in the US for the past five years is roughly 42,000 per year (towards the higher end of estimates). Official covid death toll in the US now over 56,000 (not counting probably tens of thousands of deaths that have not been correctly attributed to covid due to lack of testing). So I now feel confident about choosing option C: Lewk is a dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
You're a dumbass, Lewk. Sorry mate, that's just how this played out.
Maybe he's angling for a show on Fox.
1) As seen by Florida, if you shut down one state all those people do is flee to other states that haven't taken proper precautions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
2) A good number of surgeries are performed by traveling doctors, so even if your hospital is "empty" (which is a bullshit claim), doesn't mean you're going to have the staff on hand to continue a normal schedule. My mom's throat and mouth doctor was in his local office 5 days a month.
3) Our for profit healthcare system is forcing hospitals to furlough workers so they can weather the curve when it does arrive.
4) You're an idiot.
Factor two difference is pretty much in line with previous numbers, and with other countries right? Not sure why those numbers surprise him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Also that number for excess death, 27015.. that's very exact for an estimated number :p
That's not an estimate it's the published figure from the ONS of registered deaths minus the average regular deaths for that week. That's why it only goes until weeks ago, because it takes time for registrations to be recorded. An average of four days but can take longer.
Those deaths won't all necessarily be due to the virus because the baseline is just an average and there is natural variance. Plus deaths caused by the lockdown like suicides and domestic violence deaths which are tragically up will fall within that but those deaths while still tragedies are relatively small in number so it's a reasonable approximation.
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1. Don't be ridiculous, most people don't have the means or desire to just get up and switch states at the drop of a hat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
2. Empty was hyperbolic however a lot of medical resources have been idle.
3. What? That doesn't make any sense, if they are paid by procedure why would they furlough people? That doesn't make them money. :|
Now to clarify I'm not suggesting that all restrictions were bad. I'm saying that they should be geographically targeted. If Dallas has a lot of cases but El Paso doesn't, why should El Paso live with the same restrictions? The whole idea of "just in case we get a bunch of cases we'll cancel all non emergency situations" is stupid. If there's a spike you can then cancel everything as needed but there hasn't been one in my local community.
I also think there should be a greater awareness that actions too extreme not only diminishes quality of life but can COST people's lives. Delayed surgeries, delayed screenings and testings, the whole "mental wellness" shit Democrats always like talking about, potential disruptions in the supply chain as the lock down continues, possible spikes in domestic violence etc etc. There's a sweet spot where risk is minimized on both ends. The idea of a full lock down until a vaccine exists is not a workable reality. And until a vaccine exists we will have Covid cases around the country. So what should be done? The answer is what we are starting to see. Some of the more extreme restrictions being lifted and an increase in testing. And btw it isn't just states like TX and FL, Europe is starting to lift some restrictions as well. This is not an all or nothing approach.
1. We literally have a term for these people they are so numerous. Snowbirds. And we aren't even talking about season long changes, driving a few hours for a surgery is hardly switching states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
2 and 3. You have no idea how the medical field works. This is a hilarious, but expected, level of ignorance from you.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04...s-budget-cuts/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Your own link says, several times, the same thing I did. Hospitals fat on for profit healthcare pricing now find them themselves shit out of luck when facing an actual pandamic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer3) Our for profit healthcare system is forcing hospitals to furlough workers so they can weather the curve when it does arrive.
4) You're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Thanks? :bulb:
On the topic of quiet hospitals, I have friends working in the NHS who say that currently their workload is much less than it normally is. Not simply due to lockdown though - the NHS is still open to emergencies (that was the point of lockdown, to protect it so that those who needed it still could) but visits to the emergency wards have collapsed. I always thought most visitors to our A&E wards were never emergencies but yes apparently far, far fewer non-virus people are going to hospital than normal. So in parts of the country where there aren't that many virus patients (or for doctors/nurses not working related to virus work) they are much quieter than normal.
Non-emergency work has been affected by lockdown, most GP surgeries have effectively closed. I had a blood test scheduled that was cancelled. But in normal circumstances difficulty seeing a GP would cause people to go to A&E instead, but right now people are staying well clear if they can.
OTOH doctors/nurses in ICU etc can be very, very busy and stressed right now.
I'm curious Aimless if its similar where you are? Are your colleagues having a mixed bag of experience right now?
My neighbour and friend whom I mentioned before that is an A&E doctor at St Thomas's in London has said that whilst they aren't working on normal A&E caseload due to priority being given to Covid-19 as you say, they are equally working on those Covid cases, and are equally busy because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
What he has also said, which is contrary to the general impression given by the media, is that they are not more busy because of Covid. There are no extra shifts that he nor his colleagues nor his nursing staff are having to take - their normal shift allocation of resources is enough to cope with current demands due to Covid.
The worrying thing is of course that people don't visit a doctor or hospital when they should, because either they're afraid or don't want to be a burden on the healthcare system now. For example, cancer diagnosis have dropped dramatically, but I highly doubt there are actually fewer cases, and that kind if thing you want to diagnose early. Same goes for example for complaints that indicate heart disease.
That makes sense, your friend is in London - and at a major hospital in London too. Wasn't St Thomas's where the PM was treated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbuk2
My friends I referred to are not in London where the COVID caseload is much higher as a share of population but the A&E caseload has collapsed without the same increase in COVID as has been seen in London.
That normal shift allocation of resources is being able to cope with this even in London is good news.
I imagine there might be a similar distinction in other nations. EG I believe in Sweden the statistical difference between Stockholm and the rest of Sweden is quite significant.