2020 US Presidential election

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Originally Posted by Flixy

Anyway, happy with the outcome, if disappointed by the amount of people who still voted for him after 4 years. Good thing I didn't stay up drinking until a winner was called this year :p

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I share your disappointment; it's quite concerning that the floor of his support was so high.

In my deeply blue town (which voted for Biden over Trump by 75 points), there were all sorts of people who came out of the woodwork to celebrate - random signs and patriotic getups, lots of car honking, etc. I had two very pressing questions that I managed to restrain myself from asking:

1. Why now? It's been pretty clear since Thursday that Biden had this in the bag.
2. It's not like someone won the World Series... and the next two years are still going to be gridlock given how poorly Democrats performed in Congressional elections.

This is going to be a long, painful slog digging us out of the hole that Trump has left. I'm rather far from jubilant. The bare minimum we needed to do as a country was vote Trump out of office.

90% of the damage from the past 4 years were directly a result of Trump being president. Huge improvement even if nothing else changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c66IQQrmXeo

Who are these 'people' who are talking about pardoning DJT? Other than Trump himself and his cronies. I find it wildly unlikely, especially given the disaster the Nixon pardon was (and that was in his own party!).

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c66IQQrmXeo

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http://theworldforgotten.com/showthread.php?t=7676

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Originally Posted by wiggin

Who are these 'people' who are talking about pardoning DJT? Other than Trump himself and his cronies. I find it wildly unlikely, especially given the disaster the Nixon pardon was (and that was in his own party!).

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The Indy (of all things) did an article about it.

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The response wasn't great.

Guys maybe we shouldn't celebrate until we have a clear answer to this question:

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I just can't get enough of this, undoubtedly the best gag of the entire four-year run:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0hEFa52Bdo

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Originally Posted by wiggin

Who are these 'people' who are talking about pardoning DJT? Other than Trump himself and his cronies. I find it wildly unlikely, especially given the disaster the Nixon pardon was (and that was in his own party!).

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If the Nixon pardon happened now, it would stay in the news cycle for roughly 2 days.

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Originally Posted by Loki

If the Nixon pardon happened now, it would stay in the news cycle for roughly 2 days.

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Watergate today wouldn't have lead to impeachment, so we wouldn't be talking about a Nixon pardon.

Also, can the president even pardon people prosecuted and convicted by an indivdual state? I think the old home state of Mr Trump may have some urgent questions for him once he's out of office.

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Originally Posted by Hazir

Watergate today wouldn't have lead to impeachment, so we wouldn't be talking about a Nixon pardon.

Also, can the president even pardon people prosecuted and convicted by an indivdual state? I think the old home state of Mr Trump may have some urgent questions for him once he's out of office.

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Negative - presidential pardons are for federal crimes only. So, yes the state of New York can prosecute him for state crimes even if he were pardoned at the federal level.

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Everything is still a "projection" until Secretaries of State certify the election results (popular vote) and the Electoral College meets and votes. Law suits and recounts have to be cleared first, delaying the process....while Trump's disinformation and conspiracy theories run rampant, with help from GOP sycophants. :(

Good article here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...pgtype=Article *note the part about state legislatures and Faithless Electors*

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

I'm still very happy for you guys!

I'm cynical of the US in many occasions, but your zany weird system works. And it did 4 years ago, and it did again. I'm quite rather sloshed at the mo, so to stay in character: I love you guys.

and that includes Lewkie. You're batshitinsane, but I bet you have a dog. And I bet you love that dog. And because you do, you're a good guy. And that's all that matters. You care so I do.

I'm drunk and it shows baby *pelvis thrust banana*

Can I kiss Nessus now?

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lol :heart:

Another procedural entanglement -- the GSA that's currently under Trump's administrative control:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...ry?id=74060595

Trump is not satisfied with the number of people he killed at rallies, so he's going full on fascist now.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ection-results

He will use these to fire up his base into an anti-American frenzy, by not accepting the results of the election. Because crybaby cannot accept losing.

All hail Furher Trump.

This is, in equal measures, pathetic, weird and dangerous:

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Esper had already made clear his intention to resign. Wonder what has happened to Norquist, who's supposed to become acting secdef upon Esper's departure.

A true patriot, putting the country before the President.

Kayleigh McEnany is nagging about voter suppression ... against republican counties in Pennsylvania.

Much projection.

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Wow. Just wow.

Murdoch does not want Civil War.

I am relieved Fox is taking its responsibility.

Even Fox has had it with Trump

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ris...illegitimizers

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RISE OF THE ILLEGITIMIZERS It comes as a surprise to no one that a person who claimed massive fraud in a presidential election he won would be crabby about the results of one he lost.


For President Trump, it is always Festivus.


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States will start certifying election results starting Wednesday. By the start of December, all but eight states will be finished. California comes last with official results due on Dec. 11.


We’ll find out whether Biden wins with as few as 290 electoral votes or as many as 321, but barring proof of massive voter fraud in multiple states, the transition will progress and Biden will peacefully assume power at noon on Jan. 20.


It seems more likely that rather than trying to prevent Biden from becoming president, Trump and his campaign are working to de-legitimize his successor’s administration.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1720003.html

Murdoch to Trump: you have outlived your usefulness

Fox cut away, the other networks didn't even bother starting to show what she had to say.

Absolutely remarkable we could have reached a point where the White House calls a press conference, all but one of the networks ignore it because they know it will be lies and even their pet friendly one cuts away too because of the lies.

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Trump has been shitting on Fox for some time. I'll believe the network is taking its responsibility and making changes when their hosts start to behave or are booted out.

Their news division always enjoyed a large degree of autonomy from the talking heads (who are all in on Trump even now).

So, looks like national Republicans are getting behind Trump's refusal to concede. DOJ is 'investigating' the fictitious voter fraud. All we need now is some key state legislatures to 'investigate' the vote in their states, declare fraud, and put up a Trump+ slate of electors. That last bit would be completely in line with the character of Michigan's gerrymandered legislature. I wonder how much steam this effort will build up.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

So, looks like national Republicans are getting behind Trump's refusal to concede. DOJ is 'investigating' the fictitious voter fraud. All we need now is some key state legislatures to 'investigate' the vote in their states, declare fraud, and put up a Trump+ slate of electors. That last bit would be completely in line with the character of Michigan's gerrymandered legislature. I wonder how much steam this effort will build up.

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What harm could it do, right?

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'party of personal responsibility'

I do hope that this will die quickly in courts, Trump will not attempt an actual coup, and that those Georgian senators piss off so many voters that they lose the senate over this. If only to teach them a lesson.

Unfortunately I don't really expect that will happen..

It would be hilarious if the Georgian senators lose due to this, but I'm not expecting it.

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Originally Posted by Flixy

I do hope that this will die quickly in courts, Trump will not attempt an actual coup, and that those Georgian senators piss off so many voters that they lose the senate over this. If only to teach them a lesson.

Unfortunately I don't really expect that will happen..

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McConnell probably doesn't want Trump to concede before the January run-off, lest the right wing voters in Georgia take a morale hit and don't turn out. The refusal to concede absolutely will not have the opposite effect to somehow help the Democrat candidates (IMO, of course). That kind of thing - integrity, respect of institutions, truth, the simple dignity of recognizing and admitting when you lose.... that's not the thinking we are dealing with here.

EDIT: And I totally believe Trump and his allies are proceeding with the intent to steal the election. He doesn't care about helping keep the Senate, he wants to continue being president.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/refus...n-transition-1

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

McConnell probably doesn't want Trump to concede before the January run-off, lest the right wing voters in Georgia take a morale hit and don't turn out. The refusal to concede absolutely will not have the opposite effect to somehow help the Democrat candidates (IMO, of course). That kind of thing - integrity, respect of institutions, truth, the simple dignity of recognizing and admitting when you lose.... that's not the thinking we are dealing with here.

EDIT: And I totally believe Trump and his allies are proceeding with the intent to steal the election. He doesn't care about helping keep the Senate, he wants to continue being president.

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True. But at the same time I can imagine the average Georgian being pissed that their own state officials are being accused of fraud, and it might cause internal war within the state party (since if I'm not mistaken, the officials being accused are also GOP).

And arguably having Biden confirmed in the white house can galvanize Republican voters to prevent a democratic controlled senate. On the flipside, if Biden is not a certainty, it might increase the turnout for the Democrats.

But I expect the Democrats to lose (at least one race). But it's a rather unusual dynamic, to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Flixy

True. But at the same time I can imagine the average Georgian being pissed that their own state officials are being accused of fraud, and it might cause internal war within the state party (since if I'm not mistaken, the officials being accused are also GOP).

And arguably having Biden confirmed in the white house can galvanize Republican voters to prevent a democratic controlled senate. On the flipside, if Biden is not a certainty, it might increase the turnout for the Democrats.

But I expect the Democrats to lose (at least one race). But it's a rather unusual dynamic, to say the least.

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It's going to be 0 or 2 for Democrats. Very few people are going to split their vote in two Senate races on the same ballot.

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Nothing to see here folks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpOnt1cByT4

This is very good (sound on)

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