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Perhaps the 2018 Football World Cup was getting a bit selfish ;)

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Originally Posted by Hazir

I doubt the money is actually made with the tickets sold. Which makes me think; how the hell did Australia think it stood a chance? It's entirely in the wrong time zone.

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Perhaps somebody thought the "world" game might actually get to the "world"... the bid was naive.

I'm quite happy not to have the World Cup come here, it would interfere with real football and that is unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by Steely Glint

No, there is proof: several statements by people who should know that the bid was killed by the media. This proof is not definitive, but since you have nothing at all to backup your declaration that the England bid was doomed from the beginning, it wins. You can't ignore facts even if ignoring them helps you make the British look bad.

8th time: it is not sour grapes, because the complaint isn't the fact that England lost - I didn't even particularly want them to get it for christsakes - but the fact that the bid was killed because the media outed some corrupt officials which irks me- I just dislike organizations which think they're above the law, which FIFA clearly does.

I do realize you think you can just keep repeating 'sour grapes' over and over again until everyone gets bored with you and wanders off, which you will probably then count as some kind of 'victory' in your rather sad little world, so let me tell you that I'm easily stubborn enough to keep on telling you why and how it is not sour grapes (notice that we never saw anything like this when the bid for 2002 went nowhere) until you either admit it isn't or have the common decency to actually address the arguments put before you.

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And you keep trying to tie some nobility to your defeat; as if you were robbed of your deserved victory. That's not the case, you're a bunch of whining losers. The fact that FIFA is about money wasn't a problem for you right up till the moment that you realised that nobody cared a bit for your 'superior' bid. You threw 12 million at people trying to buy their votes, you sent royalty on the road for some extra spice. And now that it all was for naught you start acting as if the winner only could win through massive corruption.

Bunch of wankers as far as I am concerned.

Eh, there's nothing 'noble' going on here, the bid team did have anything to do with uncovering the corruption at FIFA and in fact was generally begging the press to stop doing so in a pathetic and weaselly fashion, so they can hardly claim to be noble losers. And the media aren't noble losers either because, as it wasn't their bid, they didn't actually lose. And are too generally sleazy to be called noble with a straight face, even if they do occasionally publish worthwhile stories. And no one here really thought the bid was a certitude, either.

You are just projecting emotions and motives onto "england" here that have nothing to do with reality and are just there to validate your own prejudices.

I am not projecting anything, I am reacting to the fucking bad loser attitude that is all over the national press in the UK after Russia got the 2018 WorldCup.

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Sunday Times, Today

FIFA, the international football body, is being asked to investigated a whistleblower's allegations that two of its executive members had agreed deals worth $1.5m for their votes ahead of last week's contest to host the World Cup.

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More bribery claims.

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Originally Posted by Timbuk2

More bribery claims.

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Another example of the sore loser mentality; now they even want their bribes back :) Wankers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Olympics.html

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Originally Posted by Hazir

I am not projecting anything, I am reacting to the fucking bad loser attitude that is all over the national press in the UK after Russia got the 2018 WorldCup.

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It's not the fact by the means of England's defeat which has caused the ire.

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Yeah, whatever. Losers who try to make it sound as if they unfairly lost. You're still a bunch of wankers.

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Originally Posted by Steely Glint

It's not the fact by the means of England's defeat which has caused the ire.

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Why are you bothering again? Shouldn't you be wanking? :o

I'd like to point out that the risk of insurgency and militant threats are mitigated by not allowing America to host the games since they are always under attack constant attack by the belligerent extremist. they just didn't want the players to die. possibly even gain weight.

I wonder how England ever won the rights to host the Olympics? Or all the other World Cups I listed above if we're such a generally shitty and unpopular colonialist bunch of wankers?

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Originally Posted by RandBlade

I wonder how England ever won the rights to host the Olympics? Or all the other World Cups I listed above if we're such a generally shitty and unpopular colonialist bunch of wankers?

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Most other candidates were in countries that hosted the games fairly recently. Barring those it was a toss up between Paris and London.

Yeah, but England's such a woeful group of useless wankers so how'd we get it? Is it possible that the French are an even more terrible group of wankers?

Besides 1980 isn't that recent for what was then the USSR especially given the US hosted it in 84 and 96.

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Originally Posted by Hazir

Losers who try to make it sound as if they unfairly lost.

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Originally Posted by RandBlade

Is it possible that the French are an even more terrible group of wankers?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by RandBlade

Yeah, but England's such a woeful group of useless wankers so how'd we get it? Is it possible that the French are an even more terrible group of wankers?

Besides 1980 isn't that recent for what was then the USSR especially given the US hosted it in 84 and 96.

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British wankers or Frogs, you think the people of the world in general see that much of a difference?

<stagewhisper>Of course, if Hazir wasn't such a bigot he could just point out that Randblade's comparison is faulty because his argument would actually be that the FA has a reputation for arrogance within FIFA, not that England has a reptuation for arrogance within the world, and his could just point out that any problems between the FA and FIFA don't apply to the BOA and the IOC, but then bigots aren't known for their strong grasp of logic</stagewhisper>

I've read every post in this thread so far and am genuinely shocked at Hazir's apparent hatred for the UK.

Hazir, where has this all come from?

Basically, he hates us because we won't play nice with European integration, and because RandBlade is from here.

That's fine though, Harry abs will save us from such cruelty.

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Originally Posted by xaero1

I've read every post in this thread so far and am genuinely shocked at Hazir's apparent hatred for the UK.

Hazir, where has this all come from?

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It's just Steely who thinks I hate Brits, the truth is that I hardly spend any time thinking about Brits under the worst of circumstances. During my workday I check out news sites, a lot of them British. My regular exposure to the tossers who voice their opinion there have significantly lowered my tolerance for any hint of euroscepticism expressed by Brits :) Reading British media does that to you. Strangely enough checking the site of the NYT doesn't have a similar effect.

And Randblade of course is the worst kind of eurosceptic I know; the type that claims to be pro-European while never showing any willingness to improve the ills they percieve in the EU. He has zero credit in my book on this subject. Not to mention the fact that he knows less about the actual way the EU works than my potted plants.

As for in this particular topic; I think the reaction to that lost bid is one of a very sore loser who fooled himself into believing he was a front-runner and now finds out he was really a non-starter. Having nobody to blame but himself he lashes out at everybody and his auntie.

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Originally Posted by Steely Glint

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All you're proving is that the description fits you like a glove.

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Originally Posted by Hazir

It's just Steely who thinks I hate Brits, the truth is that I hardly spend any time thinking about Brits under the worst of circumstances.

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No, I think most posters think you hate Brits, at least while reading and writing on here.

Well at least all the others love the Inselaffen.

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Bitches

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

No, I think most posters think you hate Brits, at least while reading and writing on here.

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Well, then they are wrong. I am just not willing to engage in a polite debate with eurosceptics or people who are doing the fence sitting thing in questions concerning the EU. They are either hostile to my federalism or hinder it by not taking a position. It has got very little to do with them being Brits, that's merely a style thing.

Other people, like yourself, most of the time get a picture of the EU distorted because you see most things through a British filter (you'd be surprised how many media cover Brussels from London). Those people I just consider ill informed.

Even when it's not about the EU, it's about the EU, huh?