What he should have said was "a pattern of [pervasive] disruptive and/or antisocial behavior"Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
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What he should have said was "a pattern of [pervasive] disruptive and/or antisocial behavior"Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
cool story bro. thankfully, if it wasn't for aimless' displayed understanding english, Id have to go into context about pecking order, boredom, and pushing boundaries. cause you're still confusing children being children with brats and lack of discipline.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
and aimless beats me to the punch.
I might suggest that Rand *and I* conceive and use the term "brat" with the idea that it has rather less weight behind it than you do. Brat is shorthand for "I can't believe s/he just did (that annoying thing)" or "that kid is aggravating me." To you it seems to mean "there is something wrong with her/him." I think your version is ridiculous. More or less all children are going to be brats at points, just like more or less all adults are going to be jerks sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
I'm going to go with google (badly behaved child) and urbandictionary (spoiled, obnoxious or troublesome) on this one. Brat isn't a shortterm status, sure children can act like brats, just like adults can act like jerks. But, as Aimless had to very carefully explain, being a brat (or a jerk) is a long term pattern of how one is.
Now if we're done with circlejerking over what brat means, can we get back to the best ways and times to properly ID and treat children with possible disorders before it ends up scarring for life? Cause I sure don't see how labeling it as bullshit is going to help those december suffers, or the janurary ones who may not be misdiagnosed.
No it is not.
I'm going to go with Google and say that a brat is a badly behaved child, or urban dictionary and say that being a brat is acting spoiler, obnoxious or troublesome :bulb:
It is a short-term status of how one is acting. Like acting like a jerk, its not how one is. Although one could regularly act that way, I'm perfectly content to say that a kid screaming in a supermarket aisle because his parents won't buy him sweets is a brat. I'm quite content to think "won't that brat shut up" even if I've never seen that kid before or again.
A good upbringing.Quote:
Now if we're done with circlejerking over what brat means, can we get back to the best ways and times to properly ID and treat children with possible disorders before it ends up scarring for life?
UD never uses the word acting, but I did highlight the important tenses for the words that do appear. Past tense in the definitions, suggesting a pattern or history, and your tense which suggest something in the now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
yes, a good upbringing is a proper medical response to a possible developmental and psychiatric disorder :bulb:Quote:
A good upbringing.
You sound like one of those Christian parents who thinks Jesus camp fixes gayness.
Better than placating children with drugs because they're acting like children. Speaking of which, I oppose the notion of kindergarteners having any form of sex or marriage whether straight or gay too. Because they're children.
Quite content for adults to be popping ritalin like its candy.
and ... we're back to you confusing diagnosing with medicating :(
But hey, since that 12 year old acts like a 6 year old (children acting like children), it must a problem with the upbringing.
I'm only replying because you quoted me....but dude, seriously, hasn't it occurred to you that long-term studies take decades, and during that time other variables could be added, but can't be incorporated into the original study?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
That's part of the "problem" with fast-moving and ever-changing technology, and studying or understanding the affects on very young children. Contrary to what you know now, because it seems commonplace, but childhood development as neurological, genetic, environmental, chemical, nutritional, cognitive, cultural, or behavioral....really IS a new thing.
I watched "too much" tv when I was young, especially on cartoon Saturdays. Back then, in the dinosaur age, we only had a tiny black and white set, with 3 channels, and cartoon Saturday was over by 11am or noon. Fairly quickly, we had color tv, and 6 or 9 channels! Cartoon Saturday could last from breakfast to supper time, and all the kids wanted to watch the shows....and would "play" at houses where the tv had no limits or absent parents. You see where I'm going with this....
Before we knew it, cable tv hit the scene, and VCRs too. Those without cable would pay friends to record MTV before video rentals were available. The rapid explosion of entertainment technology during my formative years was pretty amazing, in retrospect. I remember the time when movie studios and theatres were sweating bullets, because people could watch/tape/rent at home. That was also the nexus of Disney, moving from cartoon Saturday and Mickey Mouse, to making full length feature movies...using Mickey. At first, it was a clever attempt to appeal to the parent first, and then the child. FANTASIA is a great example. But it didn't take long for Disney to figure out that what kids want would drive what parents buy....and the theme park was born.
Sorry for the 'round about tangent, but maybe the same concept applies. Parents still want to give kids what they want, perhaps even spoil them....but it's defined by the movie or gaming industries hawking their products, or using the world wide WEB. Parents have even been convinced that their toddlers aren't getting the most of their formative years without computer screens, but have no idea how moderate or manage it, either.
It bothers me to see little kids watching movies in the car, or wearing ear "plugs" for sound. It's sad when those little kids say their field trip or family vacation meant watching Men In Black (or some other movie) until they got to "that place". :(
Wow last time I thought of someone as a jerk I really thought that they were predominantly jerky, that's why I applied that general term to them :bulb:
Er, do you actually know what happens when you give eg. ritalin to a child who does not have ADHD? :bulb:Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
And yes, that is a trick question.
Rand, what do you think of a kid screaming in the supermarket who wants his dad's iPad or iPhone, instead of "sweets"?
Apple fanboy, worse than brat :downcast:
The drug is addictive and has potential for abuse as well as many side effects:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
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Originally Posted by Wikifist
I don't normally get involved in why the brat is screaming in the supermarket, just wish they'd shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
If you give a person who doesn't have ADHD Ritalin the most likely outcome will not be "placation" it will most likely instead result in the opposite of placation.
I hope you've shared this with your bride-to-be, in case she wants children. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
We both want children eventually. Doesn't mean I need to hear someone else's screaming brats while I'm shopping.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
And if I say someone is an asshole I think all they're literally composed of is anus. Give me a break. If you didn't want this circlejerk maybe you shouldn't have reached out for a feel in the first place. That's an example of you being a jerk and now this is an example of me being a jerk reactivelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
the term brat (or jerk) is not a pejorative or vulgarity, asshole's use as an insult attributed to the anus dates back to the 1860s. Come on, at least pick a term thats slightly related to the conversation.
Er no you're 100% factually wrong it's slang and pejorative. It always has been. What it has never been is a medical condition of what one is. FYI all children are brats anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
So you're saying it's quite a modern term then? As the phrase brat dates back to circa 1500.Quote:
asshole's use as an insult attributed to the anus dates back to the 1860s. Come on, at least pick a term thats slightly related to the conversation.
as does arsehole, which asshole comes from. but the point you missed is that its an insult, a strong insult, that originally did compare the target to the body's actual asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
I am puzzled, is all slang perjorative and vulgar? :bulb:
I guess so if you ask Rand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
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Originally Posted by RandBlade
Aren't we discussing the 2nd definition (and hey, past tense)? Otherwise thats like calling cracker pejorative in a food thread :bulb: Every time you've used it up to this point has been in the sense of spoiled or bad children. Not once have you used the term to relate to children in general. Can't tell if your reaching very poorly, or if you don't understand how language works and how to read a dictionary entry...
No, but much slang is pejorative. This specifically is pejorative slang and dates back over half a millennium as such so really not sure what OG is trying to prove. Maybe urban dictionary can find a point for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Neither brat nor jerk are the least bit technical, clinical, or formal. Their origin and use is purely that of idiomatic pejoratives. And I don't know about you but to my knowledge "brat" behaviors which might lead to correct or incorrect diagnoses of attention disorders are not generally those associated with a child being spoiled, which makes the entire thrust of your argument, that Rand has always been using it to mean "selfish or spoiled", off-base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
In context that's exactly what he was doing, but, more to the point, you can't usually "placate" a regular old brat by giving them ritalin, you just risk making them brattier.Quote:
I do. I think its because now people can't just be "naughty" or a "brat" or get "disciplined" instead it needs to be a disease, hence ADHD
He also parroted my definition in reply 66 :o, when he decided parenting fixes medical disorders.