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Your specialty.. in high school?
By definition they are moochers of anything that gets federal funds since they provide 0 contribution to the federal budget. And for a couple of years I too was a moocher. Glad that I'm no longer part of that 47%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
High schools have base classes you must take, but then the student gets to choose elective classes that suit their preference. A rigid federal system might limit those choices even further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
No they're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
We have that over here too. I don't see how a federal system would limit this (lack of nearby schools seems a bigger problem, every school can only offer so much and outside cities there are only so many schools). And if the base classes are already shit, how is a specialty supposed to be any good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Besides, according to Lewk it doesn't matter because nobody remembers what they learn in high school anyway
When did this imaginary oppressive federal system come into the picture? I thought we were comparing current examples of current local education gone wrong vs current federal guidance?
when did the fairy tales and nightmares begin?
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seems it was dread. not surprised.
You forgot to answer an important question:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
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Originally Posted by Aimless
I was just about to ask why we're contrasting with "rigid federal systems" as opposed to a reasonably flexible federal system, and why we're talking about "a rigid national education system with no variety" as opposed a reasonably flexible national educational system that attempts to guarantee a minimum reasonable standard but features a great deal of variety beyond that. I must be mismisreading Loki's posts or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
I don't know how much you have interacted with the US federal government, but flexible and reasonable are not the first things that come to mind.
Have you ever dealt with a school board or gone to a community meeting?
Santorum/Bachmann 2016
Search your feelings
You know it to be true!
Wasn't your prediction for 2012 Palin/Bachmann? :p
Even in Obama's America, people can dream :(
I mostly wanted to post the Star Wars quote
But it's also possible that your flexometer is differently calibrated, or that your govt may learn from other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
The fact that there are still schools teaching ID, even though the courts have ruled against it, should show you how flexible our system already is.
You may have stumbled upon the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
And yes Loki, have you?
And so what if you have?
Can you honestly tell me that the average school board member is nearly as informed as a top-level bureaucrat?
I'd say Texans being football fanatics is an accurate stereotype. Y'all don't mind using tax dollars to build $20 million football stadiums....for High Schools. Is that what you mean by "conservative"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
The poorest states are all southern, have "poor" or below average K-12 academic performance, and are 'conservative' Republican voting districts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Dr. SpinGood, McD :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Can you honestly tell me that a top level bureaucrat cares about a community that he has never heard of as much as said average school board?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Didn't you say earlier that these 'professionals' can be incompetent?
That may even be one of the advantages of having a reasonable amount of involvement of "top level bureaucrats" rather than excessive power in the hands of the average school board member :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Keep telling yourself that.
What ever happened to judging people based on results and not on intentions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Incompetent means that they don't fulfill a reasonable set of requirements. Batshit crazy means making no attempt to fulfill those requirements and doing idiotic stuff instead.
So all school meetings you have attended have been run by insane people?
Right, and since the ONLY undisputed role of our federal government is National Defense....and the Military requires at minimum a HS diploma, certificate, or GED for enlistment/enrollment....how do you propose we do that without some National Educational standards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
You do realise this is a thread originally about the factual content of science classes, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
You do realise that "caring about" a community may in some or many cases amount to having a strong bias against eg. science and for eg. conservative Christian values or some other bizarre conception of "virtue", right?
Now I realise you have seen the world and experienced first-hand the callous cruelty of the state, the transgressions of bureaucrats against common folk, the inevitability of oppression etc etc but can't you be just a little open to the idea that there may be a few colours missing from your palette?
Again, I did not say I was against standards. But I do caution that mission creep is the most holiest of holys with Loki's vaunted incompetent but damn good anyway twats in DC.
@ Aimless, and you good sir have never heard if thread drift or be a little open to the fact you come off as a holier than thou prig.
The US Dept. of Education sets minimum standards. Repeat, minimum. All the US states have plenty of leeway and wiggle room to exceed the minimum. That's not federal mission creep. So WTF are you talking about? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
I'm sure a lot of the people in school boards are well-intentioned and have the interests of the kids as their first priority. Unfortunately, most school boards aren't filled by the brightest or most educated of people, and end up trying to ban books or teach ID because that's what they believe will help the kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath