It's fine. Oversupply --> cut the supply!Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
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It's fine. Oversupply --> cut the supply!Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
Supply of what? College-bound youth, or youth in general? :confused:
Geez, just college-bound youth! You're so extreme. :noob:
Edit: and not even. State schools still cost very little compared to private schools (like, 50%-90% less), and there are always community colleges which cost even less.
If they don't attend college (or even Community College) they'll have to leave the state to find employment. I mean something beyond food service or other minimum wage jobs. States can't afford to lose young people, leaving behind retirees and elderly.Quote:
Originally Posted by agamemnus
The point is how higher educations costs have sky rocketed over the last decade.Quote:
Edit: and not even. State schools still cost very little compared to private schools (like, 50%-90% less), and there are always community colleges which cost even less.
That doesn't make sense. Why would they have to leave the state?Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
They have, they have... but not because of the cutting of spending on higher education by the government. One reason possibly is that more foreign students are studying in America now, or it seems that way... and that means more demand for higher education, which means the cost goes up.Quote:
The point is how higher educations costs have sky rocketed over the last decade.
That is exactly what we are doing in CA.Quote:
Originally Posted by agamemnus
CSU Plans To Slash Enrollment
I guess an educated workforce is too much burden for our society.
:confused: What's wrong with Jewish girls?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
You don't go out with people who have a bad job situation? :noob:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
No he doesn't. They're useless dregs of society, after all.
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Originally Posted by Nessus
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Originally Posted by Loki
Nonono, got it all wrong. Sorta.Quote:
Originally Posted by agamemnus
Many of the women here my age who are successful tend to be finance/legal drones. Many aren't especially funny, or at least don't see the humor in their work. They like me because I look good on paper, though I probably don't make as much as many of them. But we do have things in common and all of this draws me in before I (more often than not) pull back because I realize they aren't really a match.
On the other side, the other demographic populating my social scene are women I meet who are funny and interesting also happen to be unemployed/underemployed. But they have wealthy parents, so they live the high life and live a lifestyle way beyond what they make. They go out for dinner multiple nights per week, they go on long trips to exotic places, etc. I have actual financial limits, so I have no interest in dropping $200/weekend just on food and drinks.
And I tend not to be too into northeastern Jews. :o So in a lot of ways I'm sort of stuck in the middle. A whole swath of funny/interesting people who may have developed into hard-working upwardly-mobile folks are toiling away at semi-paid temp jobs and then paying for hard drinks with their parent's credit card.
So Dread has a problem with socializing downwards....
anyone surprised?
To find more than minimum wage service jobs or temp work. We don't have factories like we used to, construction is open only for skilled industrial trades, the state isn't hiring for Parks/Recreation or road workers....Quote:
Originally Posted by agamemnus
There was a rumor that Harley Davidson was hiring again and that thousands showed up for a few skilled positions (like Tool and Die or something) that were filled very fast.
You can change your "social scene" and expand your horizons outside Manhattan or where daddy's princesses hang out, ya know. :bored:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Or have the daddy's princesses spend $200/weekend on your food and drinks for you ;)
Did we already have this link posted somewhere? Well, here it is again. :noob:
http://patchworknation.org/
Interesting interactive maps and graphs. It was linked at NYT, Slate, Huffington and The Atlantic Monthly. Found a funny clip from the Colbert Report that mentioned it, but can't find it now. :noob:
Are you joking? My problem is I have a problem socializing "upwards" to wealthy finance drones and people living the high life off their parent's riches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Who says I even live in Manhattan? And Brooklyn and Astoria are increasingly colonies. My point is the young-and-unmarried demographic in this city is becoming unipolar and there's a dearth of people in service jobs who are actually supporting themselves and building careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
And it's nonsense to downplay how building a career can contribute to emotional maturity.
Sometimes I miss Astoria, and my Greek landlords.
(Then I remember the parking issue)
I meant that you've complained multiple times so far about the people in your social scene living outside their means, or expecting you to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
I haven't seen anything from you yet about picking up a hard working woman from a lesser establishment.
You want humor and being down to earth, you need to find someone that has the drive, but not the opportunity (perfect mix of appreciation for your actions balanced by a lack of trying to bleed you for what you're worth), or you find a woman who understands there is more enjoyment to life than constantly trying to climb the corporate ladder (being happy with what they have or are given).
You want someone that you're not going to find where you feel in your element. ie, socialize downward, and find a woman you want to lift up.
and since Brandy is over my shoulder, I should mention that she fits both options ;)
My last two girlfriends had the balance I was looking for, there were just other things that didn't work. It's not like these people don't exist, but I think the economy is making it hard to find a middle ground.
But I don't believe there is a such thing as socializing "downward", it's not like I'm an heir or related to someone famous or special. Still, at the end of the day I am mostly interested in someone who is a working professional like me. And that's what's becoming hard to find outside of the finance/legal drones and the underpaid parental-welfare cases.
Did you move? Hard to know, since you became a working stiff and stopped posting personal info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
What's that got to do with expanding your "hunting grounds"? :confused:Quote:
And it's nonsense to downplay how building a career can contribute to emotional maturity.
You had that girlfriend who sounded great in so many ways, but was deemed 'not attractive enough' by your family. Maybe there was more to it, I dunno. The right person is out there, but you may be looking in all the wrong places, and using mixed-up criteria. Also, you may be trying too hard. Maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Yeah, it's bad, but reducing the funding for public universities/state schools wouldn't really cause that though...Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
Eh? I don't see any problem with somebody wanting to marry 'above' themselves, certainly not just in regards to class, but intelligence, drive, ability, etc... That's not to say that a certain equality and balance isn't important to marriage, but I don't think the goal has to be to find some poor down trodden tart and lift her up out of her wretched existence and on to your glaringly white steed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
In fact, that sounds down right demeaning.
In short, I'm very happy that it worked for you, but trying to make it sound like there's a one size fits all solution to love, and that size is marrying beneath yourself to find the right one seems like a glaring oversimplification.
Did Enoch just insult OG and his wife? Reported! :mad:
Perhaps you can report yourself for insulting Dread.
Maybe I completely misunderstood, but it sounded a lot like OG said he intentionally wanted to marry someone beneath himself with the express goal of lifting someone up. Personally, I know how I would take it if somebody thought that's the well spring of our love, and wanted to marry me for those reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
I did find the "appreciation for your actions" part to be pretty demeaning...
There is a fine line between a girl enjoying a night out, and expecting a night out.
Likely why you're confused about it being demeaning.
I don't know of any women who would get offended because someone believed in them :bulb:
I'm not telling Dread to take on a charity case, but there appears to be problems when he starts fishing around in what he thinks is his own weight class (or above). There are some seriously fine ladies out there that simply haven't reached their stride yet.
Or would it be easier to relate this to stocks and buying early?
Or I can report you for suggesting I report myself for insulting Dread, six degrees of Kevin Bacon ---- you just insulted Dread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Reported. :mad:
Most of my past girlfriends have been hard-working Catholics from families without tons of money, but not poor either. But because they are real people, the unemployed/underemployed amongst them seem to have moved back home.
Taking a step back, I was trying to make a larger point that these youth unemployment trends do impact the social landscape of the demographic that's impacted here.
Youth unemployment impacts everyone. Just ask Maine, or Italy. When young people can't find gainful employment, when even the most educated and potentially "professional" youth can't begin their career path without living in their parent's basement (or living on daddy's tab), or find their potential peer mate......they will eventually leave. Emigrate. State to state or to another nation. Taking their education and knowledge and all its potential right along with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Maybe some think tank needs to begin a new mega-study about youth dating patterns and educational-employment patterns. The "old" model may not work.
Leave where? Do you know a state, or country, that is hiring? It's bad everywhere.
Did you look at the patchworknation link? Places with low unemployment that are booming in certain sectors....the Dakotas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Texas, Missouri, Kansas.Quote:
Originally Posted by agamemnus
PA has a wealth of natural gas yet to be mined, but our governor is ready to give big energy corps big tax cuts and ignore public health consequences from their frakking. We already tried that with our steel and coal industries. It worked for a while, but not for the long term. That's why we're called the Rust Belt., and have coal towns still burning underground.
Maybe certain very small sectors, yeah. No state in the country has low unemployment overall, though. Sure, some may have "8%" while others have "15%", but it's all a lie...
aggie, why are you still hanging out in Mass. years after getting your degree in economics and not finding a job in your field?
This thread took a turn for the worse, but without any malice: As an example of why I think you and I have such issues communicating, in a thousand years I wouldn't see myself blaming "the economy" for issues on the dating front. Save for complete societal collapse and the global victory of the GOP, of course, hard to date when everyone's starving. It's undermining Jew gold jokes, even, this seems to be about such a fundamental disconnect in how we perceive the Universe that the prospect of communication becomes impossible and therefore futile. Huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Nessie, it's not just you having issues communicating with Dread. Or trying to understand how "the economy" could be his (or anyone's) excuse for not finding Love. Let alone date "worthy" dates. :(
Same reason I already told u... it is the same everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
No, it's really not.Quote:
Originally Posted by agamemnus
I know first hand that new grads with a Liberal Arts degree and a major in Economics can find employment on the east coast, starting salary $50,000. Kellogg's and J & J to name just two.
Their willingness to move to and live in Buffalo or Camden probably made a difference. Ditto for those willing to move to Davenport or Osh Kosh. Being ready to uproot and move where they're needed, not just where they wanted to live, can often make the difference between a job and unemployment.
ammirite?
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Originally Posted by Nessus
Will you two please stop putting words in my mouth?Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
Nessus, you're lying to yourself if you don't see that everyone of a certain age group not having much to do impacts their character and self-esteem. It merited a NYTimes op-ed that I posted here, I was simply empathizing with the theme of the op-ed from a slightly different angle.
There is no issue communicating, you're just recently unable to process basic situational assertions.
And GGT, when the hell did I say this was about finding "worthy" dates? Stop trying to make it sound like I'm a snob dating for money. I'm explicitly saying that I'm turned-off by the people my age who do have money because many of them are finance drones or rich kids with parents who are spoiling them at the age of 29.
Just give up Dread, what you are trying to say does not fit in their mental narrative they want/need to have about people that don't think lock step with them.
Diversity indeed.
I might be reading too much into it, but I don't think Dread is just looking for a date, or a piece of tail. It sounds more like he's looking for something a little more serious, and that does complicate the math a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus