UK vetoes EU Treaty Change

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Originally Posted by Hazir

Because they actvely tried to sabotage finding a solution to a problem that is theathening the foundations of the EU. You can try to make this about 'me' again, but this is pretty much mainstream in Europe now. The Brits have gone too far this time.

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That's politics. Politics does not drive trading at anything but the shallowest levels.

"Loyalty" is also very shallow. Only a few months ago Sarkozy and Cameron were working together intimately over Lybia and it was Germany that were the outside refuseniks. The idea that next time something comes up where Britain has a common interest with either French or Germany against the other one that they'd refuse to work with us is absurd.

This is not an area where we were politically aligned with others. Next political issue may be different and realpolitik will play its course.

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Originally Posted by Hazir

The difference between Germans and Brits is that Germans actually are willing to act for the common good, the Brits are just arrogant and aloof only when it comes to application of rules. They consistently demand very vocally they should be allowed to shape rules for everytbody, for which they then demand an opt out for themselves.

This time they went too far, and everybody said 'screw you'. Not just the Germans or the French, everybody who possibly could have been harbouring doubts against the German-French proposal made it very clear they wanted nothing of the British plan. Even presumed 'out' Orban (PM of Hungary) went to great lengths telling everybody and his mother-in-law that they were not against the agreement and Orban didn't even want to be seen close to Cameron.

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Hazir, she didn't say Britain and German, she said you and Rand. You behave far more like your portrayal of the Brits, in attitude and actions, than you do the Germans.

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Originally Posted by RandBlade

being isolated from the Eurozone is like complaining about being on a lifeboat instead of the Titanic so now we can't rearrange the deckchairs.

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It's just too bad that the lifeboat is still attached to the Titanic by a steel cable.

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Originally Posted by Steely Glint

It's just too bad that the lifeboat is still attached to the Titanic by a steel cable.

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Hey Steely, how glad are you now that the steel cable has now been detached?

(Was searching for something and found this instead and it amused me).