Can you honestly tell me that a top level bureaucrat cares about a community that he has never heard of as much as said average school board?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Didn't you say earlier that these 'professionals' can be incompetent?
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Can you honestly tell me that a top level bureaucrat cares about a community that he has never heard of as much as said average school board?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Didn't you say earlier that these 'professionals' can be incompetent?
That may even be one of the advantages of having a reasonable amount of involvement of "top level bureaucrats" rather than excessive power in the hands of the average school board member :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Keep telling yourself that.
What ever happened to judging people based on results and not on intentions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Incompetent means that they don't fulfill a reasonable set of requirements. Batshit crazy means making no attempt to fulfill those requirements and doing idiotic stuff instead.
So all school meetings you have attended have been run by insane people?
Right, and since the ONLY undisputed role of our federal government is National Defense....and the Military requires at minimum a HS diploma, certificate, or GED for enlistment/enrollment....how do you propose we do that without some National Educational standards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
You do realise this is a thread originally about the factual content of science classes, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
You do realise that "caring about" a community may in some or many cases amount to having a strong bias against eg. science and for eg. conservative Christian values or some other bizarre conception of "virtue", right?
Now I realise you have seen the world and experienced first-hand the callous cruelty of the state, the transgressions of bureaucrats against common folk, the inevitability of oppression etc etc but can't you be just a little open to the idea that there may be a few colours missing from your palette?
Again, I did not say I was against standards. But I do caution that mission creep is the most holiest of holys with Loki's vaunted incompetent but damn good anyway twats in DC.
@ Aimless, and you good sir have never heard if thread drift or be a little open to the fact you come off as a holier than thou prig.
The US Dept. of Education sets minimum standards. Repeat, minimum. All the US states have plenty of leeway and wiggle room to exceed the minimum. That's not federal mission creep. So WTF are you talking about? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
I'm sure a lot of the people in school boards are well-intentioned and have the interests of the kids as their first priority. Unfortunately, most school boards aren't filled by the brightest or most educated of people, and end up trying to ban books or teach ID because that's what they believe will help the kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
I may be mistaken, but the impression I am getting is that you would like more.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
Do you think most children in the South are currently getting an education of a decent quality? If not, is the reason too much federal oversight?
Do you think the kids in inner city bastions of left wing policies are doing so well and that federal oversight would fix it?
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Originally Posted by GGT
Sorry, did I miss your post about national minimum educational standards for the military?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Yes, in that I have said TWICE that I'm not against standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
Do you think the inner city kids are failing in school due to federal policy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Do you think federal policy would fix them?
Depends on the federal policy. Doesn't seem very smart to reject the possibility out of hand. The current policies, made mostly at the local and state level, seem to be having disastrous results. I would think that anything that forces school districts to improve standards can only be a good thing.
Are you saying the kids in poor, southern, right-wing bastions of our Union should be our BEST national standard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
No, again, I don't object to standards.
Now if you will notice I was giving Loki a small taste of his own arguing style that you rail against.
But I will ask again more directly, don't you want more federal control of schools?
Me? I just want public schools to be better, giving kids the best educations, hiring the best teachers..... regardless of which state they live in, parental income or net worth, or state GDP.
It would just be nice if the worst performing states didn't blame the federal gov't for their failures, while asking for more federal dollars to improve their performance....
I'd understood that the Discovery Institute had tried and failed to even author a school class level curriculum on ID, let alone succeed in introducing one to the classroom. Though my last reading on this was several years back, admittedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Or are you here referring to the fact that schools still attend to such silliness as "teach the controversy", or "evolution is just a theory" and that there "are alternatives" ?
For the record, Mitt Romney actually accepted the science of evolution and opposed the teaching of so-called "intelligent design" theory in science classrooms when he was governor of Massachusetts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
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Yeah keep telling yourself that :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
So you don't want more federal involvement in public schools?Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
What schools are blaming the federal gov for thier lack luster performance? I'll be right behind you (platonicly of course) denouncing them too.
Honest question - how do states compare in educational outcomes when you take income into account?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
How do the states compare when you take immigration into account (i.e. what most southern states don't get)? Also, have you considered the possibility that southern states have poor income because they have poor education systems?
What do you mean southern state's don't get immigration...Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
And you can argue chicken and egg but poor folks on average always do worse. (Which makes a certain amount of sense when you consider that poor people are poor due to poor decisions).
http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress...he-us-2000.png Where are the southern immigrants once you get east of Texas?
Do you think that perhaps people who get a poor education might be more likely to make poor decisions?
So you label the south but exclude Texas? Define south for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
States that were on the wrong side of the Civil War (minus southern Florida and northern Virginia).
So a very small part of the US population. Are you including Texas because it was in the civil war and it has gigantic levels of immigration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Texas is also relatively rich, while being below average in education...
WTF, UKIP isn't even racist (not that this would be legitimate even if it was).
Holy shite. Good thing the foster parents didn't complain on twitter, then they would be jail too.
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Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Best comment I've seen on this all day! :haha:
Absolutely disgusting story, completely unacceptable.
I would charge the council with kidnapping.
Yeah, I'm just a little sensitive on this being a foster parent myself. I can see losing my Gay Card for being a registered R and wearing easyfit jeans...but losing my kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Wow. Just... wow. What the hell is wrong with the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint