Nah, the bomb scares were probably just overvigilance wrt unattended bags. The shooting - who knows? Bleh, we know there's something up when everyone's phone buzzes/rings at the same time. It's becoming a daily occurrence.
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Nah, the bomb scares were probably just overvigilance wrt unattended bags. The shooting - who knows? Bleh, we know there's something up when everyone's phone buzzes/rings at the same time. It's becoming a daily occurrence.
The events in Waterton are a bit confusing now. One bomber dead and another on the run. But then who is the naked guy who got arrested?Quote:
Originally Posted by wiggin
Unclear. Right now it's pretty much utter chaos; I'm a couple miles away from Watertown (and MIT, for that matter), and even here there are cops patrolling like crazy - the city is effectively locked down: no T service, large areas cordoned off, and a massive manhunt. I hope they catch the fucker soon.
Wow, this is something.
Really curious for a more detailed breakdown of events. What caused them to rob a 7-11 of all things? It seems likely that the publication of their photos triggered something, but was it to run? Because I would imagine they could have run better if they hadn't robbed a 7-11 or hung around Cambridge. Was it to cause random destruction/death? Because one would think they could have done a better job of that too.
If it turns out these guys went to MIT or Harvard that would be something. I was beginning to wonder about that because the photos seemed to indicate someone walking there on foot, and Cambridge is so close to the bomb sites. Had they come another way one would think there would be more security footage of them using public transit or something.
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Boston Bombing Suspect Killed in Shootout
By EVAN PEREZ And JENNIFER SMITH
WATERTOWN, Mass—A Boston Marathon bombing suspect was killed in a confrontation with police and a manhunt was on for the second suspect—both of whom were believed to be involved in the fatal shooting of an MIT campus police officer during a chaotic series of events Thursday night.
Authorities said the bombing suspect who had been shown wearing a black baseball cap in photographs released Thursday was killed when confronted by police in Watertown, Mass. The second suspect, a light-skinned man with long curly hair and wearing a hoodie who police said was the bombing suspect identified wearing a white hat, was still at large Friday morning. Neither man was identified. Police warned residents that the at-large suspect was armed and dangerous.
Authorities said the injured suspect was taken to Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. Dr. Richard Wolfe, the hospital's chief of emergency medicine, said the man had multiple injuries from what appeared to be both an explosive device and gunshot wounds.
Federal investigators have identities that they believe to be the two suspects and are working to verify their backgrounds.
"We believe this to be a terrorist," said Boston Police Chief Ed Davis. "We believe this to be a man who's come here to kill people. We need to get him in custody."
The manhunt brought much of the Boston area to a halt on Friday. Gov. Deval Patrick ordered the city's subway and bus system to be shut down. Authorities told commuters to stay home and stay indoors. As police conducted a sprawling search for the suspect in the Boston suburb of Watertown, authorities prohibited street traffic, told businesses there and in other surrounding areas to remain closed, and asked residents to remain inside.
The websites of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, Boston University and Boston College said classes were canceled Friday.
"We do not want people congregating or waiting," said Kurt Schwartz, the Massachusetts director of emergency management. The situation, said State Police Col. Timothy Alben, "is grave."
The violence began around 10:30 p.m., with the robbery of a 7-11 in nearby Cambridge, authorities said. The two men then fatally shot an MIT campus police officer and carjacked a Mercedes sport-utility vehicle at gunpoint, keeping the vehicle's owner hostage for about a half-hour, police said. The owner was released at a gas station in Cambridge, authorities said. He wasn't injured.
As police pursued the vehicle, explosive devices were thrown from the car, authorities said. "There was an exchange of gunfire" between police and the suspects," Mr. Alben said.
A Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority officer was wounded during the exchange.
"Our immediate concern is for those people in that neighborhood up there," Mr. Alben said.
The marathon bombings on Monday killed three people and injured more than 170. Authorities said on Thursday that they were searching for two men and released video and photographs of them. On Thursday night, federal authorities released a new photograph of the white-capped suspect, wearing a gray-hooded sweatshirt, from a 7-11 in Cambridge.
Hundreds of police officers descended on the Cambridge and Watertown areas as the violence unfolded Thursday night, authorities said. Residents said they heard loud explosions and gunfire.
Katie Blouin, 24 years old, of Watertown, said Federal Bureau of Investigation agents and local police entered her house, searching before telling her boyfriend to lock the house's doors.
"I'm shaking," she said. "It just makes you so nervous."
Adonis Karageorgis, a 35-year-old dental student who lives in Watertown, said he heard a loud explosion from his apartment balcony
"I looked up and saw the sky light up," he said. "You could smell the smoke."
The MIT campus police officer wasn't identified. The officer had multiple gunshot wounds and was taken to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead, according to a statement on the Middlesex County District Attorney's website.
Shortly before midnight Thursday, police were gathered in Watertown, and a stretch of the campus near Vassar Street and Main Street in Cambridge was cordoned off. Police were searching through woods with dogs and flashlights.
Dozens of police officers gathered at Massachusetts General Hospital where the injured officer was reportedly taken. Officers directing traffic asked those who arrived in a panic: "friend or family?" A few officers wept openly as they hurried into the emergency room.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...609754740.html
NPR said they were a pair of Chechnian brothers. :bulb:
They are not in the MIT directory. I didn't see them at Harvard either. They live in Cambridge and went to high school there (and at least one went to the end of grade school there as well). I don't think they have any connection to MIT or Harvard other than the fact that they live nearby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
I suspect that they're politically motivated but unaffiliated with any organization; this whole thing smacks of amateurish planning. The 7-11 thing might have been a simple need for cash to facilitate their escape once it became clear that the cops were closing in on their identities and whereabouts.
The entire city is being asked to stay inside, now - not just the suburbs around Watertown. Going to be a long day.
Well they are Chechen Muslims. Moved to USA as refugees in 2001 but said recently "I don't have a single American friend"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...an_friend.html
see. love is the answer :p
Were they Muslims (cause their parents were) or Muslims (that actually bought into the whole silly concept, like any other religious fundie)?
There's a youtube account that appears to be from the older brother which has some islamist and chechnyan propaganda on it - at least it looks like it. My guess? They're Chechen Muslims who were radicalized at some point.
After I told a friend here (in Illinois) yesterday that one of the suspects looked Arab and he said that he looked too white for one, I said he must be a Chechen. Who knew. :noob: Not the first time some individual Chechens tried to carry out terrorist acts against the West.
Islam is not only a religion, but also an identity. In the Caucasus, the most hard-core Muslims aren't necessarily the most devout ones. They're willing to kill for Islam, even if they follow very few of its tenets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
His supposed YT account: http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah
I'm not saying it was the wrong move, but did releasing the photos of these people spook them and lead to this shooting?
I've been thinking about that - maybe. It makes sense that the photos yesterday spooked them, so they realized they needed cash and transportation (why they stayed in Cambridge after the bombing initially is beyond me; maybe they genuinely thought they'd be able to get away with it). Hence, knock over a 7-11 and grab a car (after shooting an overly nosy cop doing his job). I'm not sure what their plan was, though - this city has been CRAWLING with heavily armed law enforcement all week, so I don't know why they thought they'd be able to get away after a robbery and carjacking (not to mention murder).
I assume the FBI weighed the pros and cons of this, deciding that the benefit of more information from the public would outweigh the costs of spooking the bombers. Whether this was a miscalculation is hard to know.
The streets of my town are eerily quiet:
https://twitter.com/BrooklineMAPD/st...830848/photo/1
https://twitter.com/BrooklineMAPD/st...938816/photo/1
Normally those streets are packed.
Kind of reaffirms the view that their dedication to holy war wasn't equivalent to their ability to execute a coherent plan. In the end, they just got lucky. If the bombs don't go off, they're the laughing stock of the US, just like the Times Square "bomber".
I do appreciate the uncle's answer to the question 'why did they do this?' as 'because they're LOSERS!'
Wanna know what Boston will look like after the zombie apocalypse? http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-and-cambridge
not a single overturned traffic cone? pfft, those are some neatfreak zombies.
Screw this, I have stuff to do. I'm probably going to go out in a couple hours whether or not we're recommended to.
After all is said and done this terrorist may have saved lives; Boston without traffic, that must have a positive effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by wiggin
ROFL. Probably true.
This all goes to show how unrealistic Grand Theft Auto is. No one can survive a 6 star wanted level this long.
Got cabin fever yet, wiggin? :eek:
I direct you to this post, GGT. ;) Damn straight.
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Originally Posted by wiggin
That's not the tune you were singing here yesterday. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
What terrorist attacks have Chechens attempted in the US? Maybe it's not common knowledge when attempts are thwarted, by any group. :hmm: I'm also curious what inside lead you have on the intentions, or any indoctrinization of these two immigrants. So far, officials are floating a lot of theories, including anti-Russian political motives that may not have anything to do with Islam.Quote:
Not the first time some individual Chechens tried to carry out terrorist acts against the West.
Islam is not only a religion, but also an identity. In the Caucasus, the most hard-core Muslims aren't necessarily the most devout ones. They're willing to kill for Islam, even if they follow very few of its tenets.
wiggin, they've already announced that people at work don't have to "shelter in place" and can go home. Taxis are running again. If you're at home and want to go out, I suppose you could tell any cop who pulls you over that you're on your way home from work? But what would be the point if most everything is still closed?
Given the bombers own words on the record it seems pretty likely that Islamic radicalism is involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
Dozens if not hundreds had been killed fighting US forces (or our proxies) in Afghanistan and Yemen. Probably at least as many have been killed in Syria while fighting for jihadist groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
As for this attack being anti-Russian, that's kat territory of idiocy here.
Well, they called off the search in Watertown and have lifted the stay at home order. It wasn't a curfew or anything anyways - it was just a strong request by the police and FBI, and nearly everyone in Boston complied because (1) safety and (2) we want them to catch this fucker. Regardless, I'm off to have dinner with friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
You said "individual Chechans" had made terrorist attempts against "the west". Using bombs or "terrorist" tactics in war, in foreign nations, is different than your original statement. I simply asked you to clarify about attempts made in the US. Is that so difficult?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Then you've got a bone to pick with the big fish in counter-terrorism, international politics, the FBI, and profilers who posited that theory. Everyone is an idiot unless you agree with them? :rolleyes:Quote:
As for this attack being anti-Russian, that's kat territory of idiocy here.
Got to give it to Boston, they are doing a hell of a lot better than the LAPD did. Haven't heard of any innocent old ladies getting shot up yet.
I thought you were going to say there were no random shootings of black men. :p
The original claim was "against the West" not "in the US"Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
Reports of gunfire and unconfirmed reports he's dead now.
Well, suspect #2 is in police custody. Alive, so we may actually get some insight in how he got to become a terrorist.
Someone needs to compile has many as these pictures as possible. Going through reddit and there are pictures of the police doing sweeps through homes, snipers taking up positions on top of sheds, it must have been insane.
Massachusetts declaring independence and martial law? :o
Can we let the Tea Party lead it? Just for history's sake?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
We can only hope. They can draft all the Harvard and MIT grad students as officers in their militia.
There is a Lawyer/Engineer joke in there somewhere...
