It absolutely is. But that shouldn't preclude us from condemning other forms of bigotry. It's not a competition to see who's worst.
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It absolutely is. But that shouldn't preclude us from condemning other forms of bigotry. It's not a competition to see who's worst.
http://hurryupharry.org/2018/08/23/c...tish-zionists/
The Labour leader said: ’[British Zionists] clearly have two problems. One is they don’t want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either.’
In the past I have disliked politicians from opposition parties and my own. I thought Brown wrecked the economy. But I always disagreed with his politics, I didn't dislike him as a person. Corbyn is scum. Vile, hate-filled, racist bigot. A British socialist Trump. Trump and Corbyn are bigots of the first order, what have our nations done to deserve them?
I like this response:
To say that Jews dont understand history when they have been hunted down so often in history is one thing, to say that they dont get bloody fucking irony? When the finest writers and comedians have been Jewish and a finely tuned sense of irony runs through Jewish culture? All of that from a po-faced humourless sack of shit like Corbyn? Well.
Veteran Labour MP Frank Field has resigned the whip (basically quit the party and become an independent MP) over antisemitism: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...emitism-crisis
It's tragic that today's Labour Party has no room in it for MPs like Field. I was born in Birkenhead and Field has been Labour MP for Birkenhead for my entire life.
Xenophobic authoritarian dinosaur, having lost a vote of no confidence in his own constituency and facing the threat of deselection, chooses to resign rather than being humiliated, blames the very antisemitism he tolerated in the party for decades for the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Dear Frank,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG5MfbXhnu4
You're an ignorant excuser of racism. There is no difference between the racism of Corbynites and Trumpists so think carefully whose side you want to be on there.
Field has acted honourably after serving his party faithfully for four decades. He's been MP for my birthtown since before I was born.
As for tolerated in the party the Labour Party until recently to give it credit has been an antiracism rather than antisemitic party. Its last leader before Corbyn was Jewish. There was minor incidents of racism including an antisemitic attack on the Tories when we had a Jewish leader and shadow chancellor that was apologised for. This rampant abuse now is new.
Or relatively new. The far left, like the far right, have always been racist. But until recently they've only been a minority. It's only now that the racist lunatics have taken over the asylum.
I understand that you don't care about either racism or truth except as a means of partisan point-scoring, but pointing out that Field is a xenophobic bullshit-artist doesn't actually make anti-Semitic Labour members/voters any better. It just clarifies the status of the xenophobic bullshit-artist.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Field resigned because of the vote of no confidence held a month ago over his decision--along with four other Labour MPs--to support the govt. on a crucial piece of Brexit-related legislation that helped May avoid a humiliating defeat and made a hard no-deal Brexit more likely, contrary to the wishes of rank-and-file Labour members and Labour MPs. He faced the threat of deselection and saw this as an excellent opportunity to control the story while making his exit on his own terms.
Honour doesn't come into it. Field was practically too Tory even for the Blairite wing, and he has in the past employed disgusting xenophobic rhetoric & arguments that have been lauded by the likes of BNP. Recently, he betrayed his party by being one of a handful of Labour MPs to defect to the govt's position on a critical piece of legislation. Like one of his compatriots, the even more overtly racist Kate Hoey, he was punished for this with a vote of no confidence, and knew he faced deselection. Rather than suffering the humiliation, he chose to resign--and, being dishonourable, gave antisemitism as an excuse, even though everyone knows that antisemitism is nothing new in Labour.Quote:
Field has acted honourably after serving his party faithfully for four decades.
I'm not sure whether that explains a lot about him or you but perhaps it does.Quote:
He's been MP for my birthtown since before I was born.
Like so many of your bizarre ideas about the world, this is utterly ahistorical. Antisemitism in Labour didn't arise fully-formed, ex nihilo, with Corbyn's Leadership; it has existed in Labour for at least three decades, about as long as anti-Zionism has had a prominent place in the party's platform. Corbyn has been a Labour MP for 35 years. You're trying to rewrite history in order to defend a xenophobic bullshitter's latest bullshitting attempt.Quote:
As for tolerated in the party the Labour Party until recently to give it credit has been an antiracism rather than antisemitic party. Its last leader before Corbyn was Jewish. There was minor incidents of racism including an antisemitic attack on the Tories when we had a Jewish leader and shadow chancellor that was apologised for. This rampant abuse now is new.
Or relatively new. The far left, like the far right, have always been racist. But until recently they've only been a minority. It's only now that the racist lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Is this the British equivalent to "racism vanished in 2008 because of Obama"?
Only if you're someone who thinks that capping net immigration is xenophobic. When has he spoken against any race or ethnicity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Do you know which MP has voted against the Labour whip and with the Tories the most? Including on Europe-related legislation? One Jeremy Corbyn.Quote:
Field resigned because of the vote of no confidence held a month ago over his decision--along with four other Labour MPs--to support the govt. on a crucial piece of Brexit-related legislation that helped May avoid a humiliating defeat and made a hard no-deal Brexit more likely, contrary to the wishes of rank-and-file Labour members and Labour MPs. He faced the threat of deselection and saw this as an excellent opportunity to control the story while making his exit on his own terms.
How does that disagree with "The far left, like the far right, have always been racist. But until recently they've only been a minority. It's only now that the racist lunatics have taken over the asylum." The Trumpists are vile racists but if someone were to quit the GOP now citing their racism would you respond this way?Quote:
everyone knows that antisemitism is nothing new in Labour.
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Like so many of your bizarre ideas about the world, this is utterly ahistorical. Antisemitism in Labour didn't arise fully-formed, ex nihilo, with Corbyn's Leadership; it has existed in Labour for at least three decades, about as long as anti-Zionism has had a prominent place in the party's platform. Corbyn has been a Labour MP for 35 years. You're trying to rewrite history in order to defend a xenophobic bullshitter's latest bullshitting attempt.
The hard left are now passing motions of no confidence against MPs who are part of the group Labour Friends of Israel. Tonight it's chair and one other MP got no confidenced.
Apparently it was of interest to former employer of Jeremy Corbyn, the Iranian state TV:
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Anti-semitism is acceptable as long as it's in defense of Brexit, apparently. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8535846.html
I've already condemned that.
I don't think you're a spokesman for the Tories.
No I'm a spokesman for myself.
Met a Jewish friend in London sleeping with a Labour volunteer and avid Corbynite; and she's convinced he's sleeping with her because he fetishizes her.
See Gove's recent cowardly attempt to dodge the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
You just happen to support a pragmatically anti-Semitic party rather than an ideologically anti-Semitic one.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
No. The Tory MEPs argued [badly IMO] that it wasn't their job to interfere in the domestic politics overseas and that the EU was overreaching by acting on this. I disagree. They didn't argue for or against antisemitism.
Labour has a real issue of regularly actually being antisemetic and sharing platforms with antisemites not simply failing to sanction an antisemitic nation.
No one buys that, Rand.
Agreed. Hence why I said "I disagree."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...jewish-donors/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/...g?imwidth=1240
While attention is on America, and since Labour's conference has been completed, time to readmit the suspended antisemites.
Labour being Labour.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8615211.htmlQuote:
Labour Party branch 'voted down motion condemning Pittsburgh synagogue attack'
Members reject motion after saying there is too much focus on 'antisemitism this, antisemitism that'
This thread's kind of died off but antisemitism in Labour hasn't. In fact its become so rampant that 8 MPs have quit the party in recent weeks citing antisemitic abuse including the then extremely pregnant Jewish Labour MP Luciana Berger [who announced she's given birth today] who was driven off by the most vile antisemitic abuse. So much has been happening that Tom Watson [whom I referenced in my last post] has taken a stand and effectively is calling out his leader and Labour's Party Secretary Jennie Formby for being complicit in tolerating antisemitism. A lot of vile abuse is now coming out of the woodwork.
Labour's own internal disciplinary system came up with a recommendation that the following was antisemitic, only to copy in the Leader's office for thoughts who overruled the decision and said it wasn't antisemitic allowed the member to not be suspended. So Labour's disciplinary system then cleared this woman of this. She has since been complaining about "a witchhunt" and "trial by media" for many other antisemitic incidents including complaining about "Jew process" [due process] being followed.
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Nothing to see here.
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I could post dozens of these incidents, but don't worry, Aimless has assured us he will post any negative British stories its just that only negative Tory stories happen. He must have just missed all of these: http://theworldforgotten.com/showthr...l=1#post205624
Wow, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has now decided things have gotten so bad it has launched a formal inquiry into whether Labour's antisemitism is so bad as to be criminal: https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...bour-broke-law
"The EHRC said it “can only commence an investigation where we suspect that an organisation has committed an unlawful act”, using powers introduced when the last Labour government passed the Equality Act in 2006."
The only other time the EHRC has needed to get involved in a political party was when they took the BNP to court for its whites-only policy. Labour is now in the same league as the BNP.
But Aimless: look squirrel, a backbench Tory said something odd.
That image is disturbing, clearly antisemitic and shouldn't be defended....by any political party, in any country. :eek:
It's encouraging to see the way this is being played out, with Labour & left-leaning MPs, pundits, activists and ordinary voters calling openly calling the party out on its failure to deal with antisemitism and specifically criticising the foolish tactical thinking underlying the leadership's reluctance to tackle the issue. Political parties and movements have to be able to have these kinds of conversations and approach matters of principle in a principled manner. What's happening now is going to be good for Labour in the long term. Considering the lukewarm response to eg. Baroness Warsi's & others' allegations of Islamophobia in the Conservative Party--not to mention their warm embrace of xenophobic policies--Tories could stand to learn from this moment.
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Originally Posted by RandBlade
Looks like Labour may be in the same league as... the Metropolitan Police.Quote:
Any EHRC inquiry would be undertaken through section 20 of the Equality Act. A spokesperson said only one such inquiry had been carried out before: an investigation into unlawful discrimination, harassment and victimisation of employees by the Metropolitan police.
It concluded that minority ethnic, gay and female police officers who raise complaints of discrimination expect to be victimised and fear reprisals. The EHRC called on the Met to overhaul its procedures to comply with the law.
When will Corbyn decide that J..uhh Zionists are simultaneously responsible for and holding-back Brexit?
Cream isn't the only thing that floats to the top:
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9194701.html
"General election: Labour candidate Gideon Bull drops out over alleged antisemitic remark
Clacton candidate denies antisemitism, insisting he did not know Shylock was Jewish"
Councillor who allegedly called a Jewish Councillor "Shylock" in a meeting originally claimed he didn't use the word, then claimed he didn't direct it at the Jewish Councillor and now his line is 'I didn't know Shylock was Jewish' ...
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That 'Hey Jews' story is disgusting Aimless.
You don't get to make comments on this until you stop defending Johnson's islamophbia.
If you identify Islamophobia then I will criticise it.
Johnson is being criticised for language nothing like Shylock being used in a far more liberal argument than many other famously liberal European countries.
You know perfectly well what I'm referring to as we've had this discussion on the past. You refuse to accept an examples of Islamophobia as Islamophobia and tie yourselves in knots trying to come up with definitions of racism that exclude whatever crass remarks Prime Minister Johnson has made in the past but include whatever some no-name Labour guy is currently up to.
Coming up with pitiable excuses for why racism isn't racism is, in fact, defending racism FYI.
*Bump*
As the Labour Party under its new leader tries to move on from the cesspit of antisemitism it was mired in under Corbyn . . . as it prepares to apologise for libelling antisemitism whistle blowers . . .
. . . Corbyn and his allies are seeking legal action to try to prevent the Labour Party apologising.
Stay classy Corbyn!
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/corbyn...ology-1.501779
Hey, Randblade, how anti-semitic would you say this sentence is:
Asking for a friend.Quote:
Maybe there was some kind of fiddling of the figures by the oligarchs who ran the TV stations (and who were mainly, as some lost no time in pointing out, of Jewish origin), but it seemed that Russia, one of the most populous countries in the world, was voting heavily for America.
I'm confused, I don't recall anyone in Russia ever voting for America. Are you referring to a real quote, or a work of fiction?
Its not good, who is doing the pointing out?
How did you know he'd reply without googling the quote? HOW DID YOU KNOW???Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
It's from a work of fiction, but it's not the words of a character it's in the voice of the narrator.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
So its fiction, that's different to people actually saying it. (Spoiler alert Aimless I knew that when I responded)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
I wouldn't use language like that or be comfortable with people using language like that in real life. Fictional characters (including fictional narrators) can use inappropriate language to make a point, it doesn't mean the author is endorsing that.
So, do you think the work of fiction is set in alternative world where the media is 'mainly' controlled by Jewish oligarchs, or do you think the author was using the lesser known 'third-person limited' narrative voice where the opinions of the view point character are conveyed by the narrator using third person pronouns... in a book in which the main character is an obvious self-insert? Or were they simply using anti-Semitic tropes in their books as some kind of intellectual exercise? And, ultimately does what the author intended matter, or could we agree that it's highly irresponsible to use racist tropes like that irregardless of personal opinions?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade