Socialists, not sociopaths :o
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Socialists, not sociopaths :o
How much value do you place on the life of a rapist compared to an innocent law abiding citizen? If there is even a 1% chance a person will murder/rape/arson/attempted murder/bomb that is too much. I'd rather those 100 people stay in prison forever. You obviously think differently. Where is your margin where it becomes unacceptable. 5%? 10%? Clearly if there was a 100% recidivism rate you would have issues with it and so somewhere between 0 and a 100% is where you consider an appropriate amount for recidivism. I'd like you to go out on a limb and actually give me the % you deem acceptable for violent criminals for these types of offenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
How much value do you place on the life of a thief compared to an innocent law abiding citizen? If there is even a 1% chance a person will steal that is too much. I'd rather those 100 people stay in prison forever. You obviously think differently. Where is your margin where it becomes unacceptable. 5%? 10%? Clearly if there was a 100% recidivism rate you would have issues with it and so somewhere between 0 and a 100% is where you consider an appropriate amount for recidivism. I'd like you to go out on a limb and actually give me the % you deem acceptable for thieves for these types of offenses.
Somehow I doubt you'd disagree with the above.
If I thought false convictions were a myth then I'd support the death penalty if the crime was serious enough. However false convictions are real and the death penalty is irreversible if later evidence can acquit the innocent person on appeal. So I support whole life sentences without parole for those crimes serious enough as an alternative. It doesn't make up for years of imprisonment but at least they're still alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
For armed robbery, home invasion I'm good with life in prison. For theft < 1,000 that didn't involve violence I'm all right with a 10% recidivism rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Again, I'm thankful that morons like you don't get to decide our legal system. Also, you haven't defined what exactly you meant by a "serious enough" crime. Just look at Lewk, he'd condone the death sentence for a pickpocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
That's the company you're keeping with this.
I'm fine that morons like you don't get to decide our legal system. Also, you haven't asked what exactly I meant be a "serious enough" crime. I'm not Lewk, I'd not condone the death sentence for a murderer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
That's not the company I'm keeping with this.
Death Penalty for pickpocket won't ever happen at this point and you know it. How many innocents you are OK with suffering because of your desire for weak sentences for criminals is something that is debatable, one that you don't apparently want to engage in because in your crazy world a criminals life and happiness is somehow just as important as the law abiding citizenry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
It's one thing saying you can't have the death penalty, even for serial killers, because you might execute an innocent.
But apparently you can't even have life in prison even for serial killers. Imprisoning killers for life, how horrific ... Seriously, this is the kind of utter moron that I was meant to share a nascent nation with. :rolleyes:
I notice that you still failed to provide a definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Well, I for one am glad that you Island Apes are out. Or at least, you're out when you finally begin to uphold your promise to get out and stay out.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
I won't hold my breath for you sloths to finally getting around to it.
Oi!
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I notice you still haven't asked me to provide one. Or allowed for the possibility of one yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Okay, Rand, I'm done with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
All because you're not prepared to allow for the possibility of serious crimes, or ask others what their threshold is?
Must be nice to live in your parallel universe where nobody ever commits a crime serious enough to warrant even a life sentence.
It goes deeper than that. People like Khen and other leftists tend to believe that crime only happens because society is unfair on a fundamental level. They NEVER support accountability for one's actions or advocate for personal responsibility. This seems to be true even when the leftists are from entirely different societies and continents.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Sloth! Haha (nelsonvoice)Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbuk2
Shrug. Life sentence with review after a long time.
Shrug. Some criminals don't deserve a review.
So you say Lewk, so you say :o
No, Lewk says some criminals don't deserve to live.
There is a very reasonable compromise between the death penalty and letting murderers go free. It's prison.