I see your sarcasm-dar is malfunctioning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Being
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I see your sarcasm-dar is malfunctioning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Being
Details, details. Who cares. All I know is that GWB fucked up America real good. Hell, I don't know who's worse. James Buchanan or Monkey Man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
How can a question be a statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Young Mage
Don't worry about it. I'm a pro.
Well in that case, in your opinion, what are the top 5 Obama scapegoats?Quote:
Originally Posted by Young Mage
Slight redemption?Quote:
Originally Posted by termite
Why wouldn't you? A really clever individual not burdened by too much integrity could have a lot of fun with that.Quote:
IMO the biggest issue is not "You should not lie on an internet forum." it is "Why would you lie on an internet forum?"
Except it doesn't work that way. This is still a community and there are real ramifications. What do you think all this fighting is about?Quote:
If anything, this is a place where you can be completely honest and face no ramifications -
On this we agree. :)Quote:
Telling lies about who you are and what you have done simply to undermine another persons position in a debate is pathetic, it will always be pathetic regardless of the reasons you use to justify it.
In all seriousness, and I know you're being sarcastic, but I think you shouldn't have. Nobody appears to be better off for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
Same here. This is sort of what I meant by above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Did you maybe have him on ignore? :think:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
I've never used the ignore function on a regular poster.
I had Loki on ignore for a while. He's a lot better now, though. That or I'm different. Or both. I had Lewk on ignore before too, but I'm better now. He's not. Just me. :) That was years ago, of course. In a different place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
JewsQuote:
Originally Posted by Being
Joooz
Ash-trays
big-nosed bastards
Fuck, i can't think of an orignal fifth one. But Jews - Scapegoats of Humanity since 2000 B.C.E.
We've busted you in threads repeatedly Loki. Active lies about what people have posted. I frequently point them out, at which point you go ballistic about how a liar can't point out lies, or some such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I AM an ex-Christian, nitwit. I still struggle with whether I believe in God. I AM an ex-Republican. The only outright lie was military: I basically related the stories of a dear, dead friend who had gone into Panama during the Pineapple ouster.
That's it. But feel free to amplify it as bigger than it is, Loki. You and everybody else, including Cain, who claimed it was practically meaningless at the time.
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
So, someone who has confessed to committing a crime is less likely to engage in criminal behavior in the future than someone who's never committed a criminal act before?
Do you actually subscribe to this kind of logic, or do you just use it disingenuously when it suits your interests?
I'm still waiting for an example of these fantastical tales, by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
But, for all I care, don't believe me. Not like I actually give a damn what you think or anything. And it's not like I base my arguments on my personal experiences - you're the king of argument from credentials, not me. So, in effect, what I say about myself doesn't matter, whereas what you say about yourself does, since you seem to use it to anchor your arguments. Like Loki said, whatever we're discussing, you used to be one, and that's why we should accept your position. Pfft.
I like to consider myself clever... and for the right price, could probably unburden myself of my integrity. Please clue me in on how I might combine these traits to my amusement, because I just don't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
I think it's more a lack of discrimination online. You can be openly gay or transgendered or bigoted, or even something truly heinous (like being a socialist) without fear of the repercussions you could well face for openly admitting those traits out in the real world.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
So why lie? It makes sense to lie or conceal things about yourself in real life, because of the repercussions you might face for being honest, but online, where those repercussions are largely non-existent... well, why lie? (To score points in a debate, apparently, but I think that the above is where Termite was going with what he said. At least, it's my thinking on the subject.)
Come, now... we've been over this before. At the time, I said I couldn't care less, because I already knew you were a lying sack and beneath contempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
That's a far cry from saying your pathology is meaningless. Your touching admission just didn't make a damned bit of difference to me, because I had you figured out beforehand. (Protip: the US stopped drafting people into the Armed Forces in 1973, and the Nicaraguan conflict was in 1986.)
You're already doing it. Nice attempt to cover, Gladdis. :downcast:Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
You can be much more open here, but not completely yourself. You still have to be careful.Quote:
I think it's more a lack of discrimination online. You can be openly gay or transgendered or bigoted, or even something truly heinous (like being a socialist) without fear of the repercussions you could well face for openly admitting those traits out in the real world.
So why lie? It makes sense to lie or conceal things about yourself in real life, because of the repercussions you might face for being honest, but online, where those repercussions are largely non-existent... well, why lie? (To score points in a debate, apparently, but I think that the above is where Termite was going with what he said. At least, it's my thinking on the subject.)
Oh?Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Maybe it's just you, then. I feel like I can be completely myself here - in what way is that belief misinformed?
My complete and open self is too ugly for you guys. You wouldn't talk to me anymore... :( And look what's happened to Tear. I couldn't handle being so universally reviled.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
EDIT: On a serious note - one's "self" is really one's personality in relation to the wider culture around them. We're different people, at least outwardly, based on context. But every context has rules and restrictions. You may not admit it, but there are things (apparently not many :o ) you would not do or say here based on the contextual restrictions in this forum. You may say, I don't say those things because its not "me" to say them. Fine. But the "you" you are talking about is the "you" within the cultural context here in this forum, which gives you much greater freedom than, say, in the office, but still has structure and limitations, which is another way of saying "rules." (We're talking about rules of conduct, right? :confused:)
If Obama wants financial reform, and you use him as scapegoat, Wall Street wins again.
Don't the government and Wall Street basically keep each other in check?
Lying isn't a crime, so why would you consider the two comparable?Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
That your "back story," and the occasional personal and professional updates, are far less plausible than those of anybody else here?Quote:
I'm still waiting for an example of these fantastical tales, by the way.
Yeah, you don't care. Which is why you troll me on the issue all the time? And get really huffy when I respond by calling you a fabricator of life stories?Quote:
But, for all I care, don't believe me. Not like I actually give a damn what you think or anything. And it's not like I base my arguments on my personal experiences - you're the king of argument from credentials, not me. So, in effect, what I say about myself doesn't matter, whereas what you say about yourself does, since you seem to use it to anchor your arguments. Like Loki said, whatever we're discussing, you used to be one, and that's why we should accept your position. Pfft.
Yeah, you don't care. You can dish it out, but can't take it. Typical bully.
Both Nicaragua and drafting are your inventions. I never mentioned either (though I vaguely recall mentioning registering for the draft when Nicaragua was a threat, and being pissed off by that. But that is all I ever said on the matter).Quote:
That's a far cry from saying your pathology is meaningless. Your touching admission just didn't make a damned bit of difference to me, because I had you figured out beforehand. (Protip: the US stopped drafting people into the Armed Forces in 1973, and the Nicaraguan conflict was in 1986.)
So you're holding me responsible for your lies about me? Well done!
To each his own, but I guess I don't get it. If people don't revile me for the depths of my cynicism and casual cruelty which I admit to on here... I guess find it hard to imagine what you could have that's so much uglier to make the folks around here refuse to accept you. <shrug>Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Honestly, the only things I can think of that I do not or would not say here are those with likely/potential real world consequences. Pretty much, I won't admit to committing any felonies - but because I have an aversion to going to jail, not for any other reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Well, it's pretty hard to find any rules of conduct I adhere to... other than those which may result in jail time for breaking. And that's not really a personality thing, so much as, well... the vestigial traces of intelligence I possess which tell me that jail is undesirable.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Uhuh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
That, you see, was an illustration that past behaviors are generally considered to be reasonable predictors of future ones. Not actually saying that lying is necessarily comparable to criminal activity.
And, for the record, I don't consider lying and criminal activity as all that comparable. Just as a brief example, there's nothing immoral about selling crystal meth to someone who wants to buy it, but that's illegal all the same. Yet, there is something immoral about lying about yourself to "win" a debate, even though that's perfectly legal.
Yeah, you keep saying this. I know you keep saying this. I'm even relatively convinced that you may believe it (to some extent).Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
What I'm looking for is an example. What is it, specifically, that's so implausible or outlandish or fantastical (etc) about my life? I'd really like to know, as I don't see it. And it seems to me like there's money or at least something of value in having an incredible story to tell.
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Originally Posted by ']['ear
Again, you're totally distorting what I said.
I don't think so, ][ear. I distinctly remember you saying that your military service was as a result of being drafted upon completion of an unspecified college degree, to serve in the little Central American conflict I was talking about at the time. I don't recall you coming out and saying point blank that you served in the Nicaraguan conflict, but you certainly implied as much, and very strongly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
Attempting to use pathos doesn't work when you've lost all respect and credibility. Most of us wouldn't care if it was a story about you brother. Yeah, I did something stupid and posted personal information online (i didn't know any better and i didn't think Cain was thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
gaypro), I still provided proof of what I was claiming in order to gain a quintessential level of credibility on this forum
Boy oh boy! Here I thought I was stupid, I remember individuals losing their tongue for being hyperbolizing shitbags. It’s funny how it still happens today!Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
Well, for my part I've chalked most of the freakier shit you talk about up to a humorous caricature. I've never actually believed you are as, well, extreme as you portray. (No, Tear, I'm not saying he's a liar, so don't drag this into your brawl.)Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
It was presented as an analog, not a comparison. You DO remember the differences between the two logic structures, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ']['ear
Well, of course. I mean, depending on what you mean, exactly. Of course I don't *actually* shoot at drug addicts to conduct ballistic tests, or engage in three-ways with the hot 4th-graders down the street, or even kick puppies for fun and profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
But waking up one morning to see a mushroom cloud rising over the remains of D.C. would make my year, I don't see murdering a cop or a politician as immoral (and for that matter, see little moral difference between dropping a 500-pound bomb on a radical cleric in Iraq and blowing up a DNC convention), and do genuinely loathe humanity and the vast majority of people for their naked stupidity and destructive avarice. And that means I tend to oscillate between utter apathy and complete contempt for others. Yeah, I'd love to watch the world burn. Seriously.
So am I as extreme as I portray myself? Beats me. But I am who I am, and I have trouble imagining how "who you are" could be so much uglier that everyone around here would revile you for it. <shrug>
You really are starting to remind me of Nessus a little. Weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
A few comments:
If Washington got nuked, we'd probably find ourselves in a dictatorship before you could say decapitation. In which case all the rural gun toters would like start a guerilla war which would eventually make the (1st) Civil War seem pleasant.
Murdering cops and politicians... not immoral. Do you believe there are any good people who are cops and politicians? What about Serpico?
This loathing humanity and wanting to bring civlization down in a flaming wreck might explain how you can be libertarian despite the plain fact that a government of that type would wreck the country. Hmmm... That's in fact what you want.
Are you fat and bearded with a goatee?
Not likely. State and local governments are still powerful enough to control the masses.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
I think it's impossible to be a moral person and a cop these days. As to politicians... well, it may be possible, but given that we've got one tolerable national politician out of ~547, well, <0.2%... nothing's perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
OK, I've gotta hear this. Do explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Only way to achieve meaningful, lasting change is through blood and ballistics. The longer we put it off, the worse it'll be.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
I've noticed this which several other members, but what's up with the alliteration? I try to incorporate alliteration in my essays, but I suck ass. How do you guys make it so subtle and easy?Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
We have IQs higher than your average room temperature
In Celsius
We do what we must, because we can...Quote:
Originally Posted by Young Mage
Harder better faster stronger our work is never over
It must be your demographic.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
If the federal government stops investing in education, technology, and economic infrastructure, our nation will continue to decline.Quote:
OK, I've gotta hear this. Do explain.
No thanks.Quote:
Only way to achieve meaningful, lasting change is through blood and ballistics. The longer we put it off, the worse it'll be.
Good thing that those three things make up about 5% of the federal budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Good thing that's completely irrelevant to the point. :) :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
It's relevant to Cain's. You can't say you support the current size of the government because of factors that make up a twentieth of all federal government spending...
And ostensibly Kain's utopian gubment wouldn't use a red penny on any of the aforementioned three things...Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
English as a first language + high natural linguistic aptitude + intelligence. My naturally twisted world view/way of thinking helps too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Young Mage
Exactly. Drop the size of the government down to 5% of its current value (and decrease the complexity of the legal system accordingly), and I'd be pretty satisfied with the state of our state. If tax rates were reduced accordingly, and my tax burden was in the 2% range, I wouldn't even mind paying my taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I thought we settled this recently... anarchy's ideal, but infeasible. Hence, libertarianism. Spending tax money on (limited) investments in infrastructure and the future well being of society is not necessarily at odds with libertarianism, unless you chose to make it so. And then you're not really being a "mainstream" libertarian, but would better fit into one of the anarchist-leaning subsets/related ideologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
Cain's position is the government shouldn't be funding these things, regardless of the portion of the budget they make up. If anything you've taken a step to invalidating his opposition to government funding these things. Is that what you mean to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
You're assuming Cain's main objective is to maximize economic growth.
Wait a minute. *Now* you're saying drop funding for Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security *and the military* and only keep Education, Technology and Economic Infrastructure investment??? How are you going to keep the Mexicans from taking back the Southwest without an army?Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain
It's not ideal even if feasible. You don't even want a civlization. You want most people dead and the rest living like Grizzly Adams.Quote:
I thought we settled this recently... anarchy's ideal, but infeasible.
I'm thinking now Cain's main objective is to dismantle civilization.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
No, I'm saying that some level of government is tolerable... but not a level that owns 40% of us (on average, for economically productive people) and routinely mortgages our futures on empty promises to further their desire to achieve re-election.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Use the racist, xenophobic, bigoted morons in the region for something more useful than re-electing the same asshats. You know, instead of focusing their efforts on re-electing this retard or that jackass, we could incite them to patrol the border (for free) in those "minuteman" patrols. Worst case scenario, they all get killed by Mexicans, and... well, we lose a bunch of ignorant bigots and then have to fund an official border patrol. Best case scenario, it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Practically the definition of win-win.
Yeah, and all liberals worship Stalin and secretly desire to transform the US into the USSR.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
No, Cain's main desire is to opt out of this shitty "social contract" deal that he was forced into at birth and is violated daily by our government. Since that's not an option under our current system, I'll settle for changing (and if necessary, destroying) that shitty system. Killing my oppressors (as well as assorted idiots and miscellaneous irritants) and piling their bodies into 40 foot high mounds is strictly a bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Oh, and FYI, gov't != civilization. Stop swallowing the propaganda hook, line and sinker.
I don't understand how you can have civilization without a government. At a minimum you need a more or less impartial entity to mediate disputes, enforce laws and protect the citizens from invaders. But that minimum will get you *minimum civilization,* not a great, thriving civilization. That comes from pooling resources to achieve things the private sector can't or won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenCain