Justine Diamond

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Originally Posted by Steely Glint

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-u...-t-be-too-nice

Trump addressing an audience of police in NY non-too subtly suggests officers 'rough up' suspects, to cheers and laughter from police audience.

Almost like it's more than a few bad apples or something.

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I was a big fan of that speech.

""They kidnap. They extort. They rape and they rob," Trump said. "They stomp on their victims. They beat them with clubs, they slash them with machetes, and they stab them with knives. They have transformed peaceful parks and beautiful quiet neighborhoods into bloodstained killing fields. They're animals.""

I'm not a huge fan of a lot of Trump's moves but this is a good one. Dehumanizing criminals is an important step in the right direction.

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I was a big fan of that speech.

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It's ok, we figured you would be.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

I was a big fan of that speech.

""They kidnap. They extort. They rape and they rob," Trump said. "They stomp on their victims. They beat them with clubs, they slash them with machetes, and they stab them with knives. They have transformed peaceful parks and beautiful quiet neighborhoods into bloodstained killing fields. They're animals.""

I'm not a huge fan of a lot of Trump's moves but this is a good one. Dehumanizing criminals is an important step in the right direction.

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*shrug* It's no surprise that you don't understand the importance of professionalism. After all, you're basically a 13th century peasant.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

I was a big fan of that speech.

""They kidnap. They extort. They rape and they rob," Trump said. "They stomp on their victims. They beat them with clubs, they slash them with machetes, and they stab them with knives. They have transformed peaceful parks and beautiful quiet neighborhoods into bloodstained killing fields. They're animals.""

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Hey now. All of the rest of it are documented offenses but I haven't heard of a single instance of the police slashing innocent people with machetes here in the US.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

I was a big fan of that speech.

""They kidnap. They extort. They rape and they rob," Trump said. "They stomp on their victims. They beat them with clubs, they slash them with machetes, and they stab them with knives. They have transformed peaceful parks and beautiful quiet neighborhoods into bloodstained killing fields. They're animals.""

I'm not a huge fan of a lot of Trump's moves but this is a good one. Dehumanizing criminals is an important step in the right direction.

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Didn't take you for a fan of constitutional protections.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

They rape

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Only you'd be stupid enough to celebrate beating the accused while holding a fascination for false rape claims.

And...Lewk derails a potentially interesting conversation again...guys, just ignore his ass.

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Originally Posted by Veldan Rath

a potentially interesting conversation

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You should have contributed then? :|
I don't see much more that can be added seeing how this thread is just a copy of the BLM thread. You have Lewk being an idiot, Randblade thinking cops are justified in being racist/profiling adrenaline junkie trigger happy freaks because he thinks their job is dangerous and everyone else being varying levels of not so retarded.

Until charges are filed there is nothing new to add.

Wow, then nevermind...sheesh.

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

Only you'd be stupid enough to celebrate beating the accused while holding a fascination for false rape claims.

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Rape is a horrible crime and I fully support it being harshly punished. Sadly, very evil and twisted people use the rape accusation as a weapon and so society should be extremely vigilant against it.

Last time I checked Trump didn't say "beat the accused" he sound don't be nice to them, don't hold their head as they get put in the cruiser. The part I particularly like is how he called the brutal gang that beat two teens to death 'animals.' That's important because the hopeful next step is to brand it a terrorist organization.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Rape is a horrible crime and I fully support it being harshly punished. Sadly, very evil and twisted people use the rape accusation as a weapon and so society should be extremely vigilant against it.

Last time I checked Trump didn't say "beat the accused" he sound don't be nice to them, don't hold their head as they get put in the cruiser. The part I particularly like is how he called the brutal gang that beat two teens to death 'animals.' That's important because the hopeful next step is to brand it a terrorist organization.

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The key word there is "accused." Should cops beat accused rapists?

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Originally Posted by Loki

The key word there is "accused." Should cops beat accused rapists?

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Again, he didn't say beat them.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Again, he didn't say beat them.

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Do you think the police should "rough up" accused rapists?

America was a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Do you think the police should "rough up" accused rapists?

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Context. Someone resists arrest I'm fine with them being roughed up. Don't pity criminals who can't follow instructions. Someone goes quietly? Regardless of what they are charged with and/or evidence there is they should be taken in peacefully.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Context. Someone resists arrest I'm fine with them being roughed up. Don't pity criminals who can't follow instructions. Someone goes quietly? Regardless of what they are charged with and/or evidence there is they should be taken in peacefully.

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How many times are you going to move the goalposts? Trump wasn't talking only about people resisting arrest, and neither were you.

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Originally Posted by Steely Glint

America was a mistake.

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Now now. Canada worked just fine and it comes from much of the same origins. The problem here is one created by the Dutch.

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

Now now. Canada worked just fine and it comes from much of the same origins. The problem here is one created by the Dutch.

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Canada had a less violent origin. It got its independence through democratic evolution rather than a violent uprising.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Context. Someone resists arrest I'm fine with them being roughed up. Don't pity criminals who can't follow instructions. Someone goes quietly? Regardless of what they are charged with and/or evidence there is they should be taken in peacefully.

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You're a slimy little cunt aren't you? No one was talking about resisting arrest. Not you, not Trump, and not the police who were cheering and clapping during the speech. You would have been better off tucking your tail between your legs and ignoring this topic existed like you did with the racism and freedom of speech conversation.

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Originally Posted by RandBlade

Canada had a less violent origin. It got its independence through democratic evolution rather than a violent uprising.

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See you're focused on the guns and I, like the others, am focused on race. Because even if these black people weren't being gunned down, they'd still be suffering all manner of violence and abuse at the hands of police. I remember in the other thread a girl who was attacked by a group of cops for "resisting arrest" because she refused to let EMTs take her to the hospital after an incident which had no trace of illegality. There was no gun and they knew there was no gun. Plenty of other examples in the other thread. A man who was shot in his backyard, eating his dinner, when he defied cops orders to stand up and told them to leave him alone twice. The guy trying to get the autistic patient to comply. Etc.

Yes I'm focussed on the guns because the violence in America is utterly incomparable to elsewhere and the real problem. Yes there is a relatively marginal factor increase in violence between cops and young black men vs cops and young white men.

There is a ludicrously massive factorial difference between violence between cops and young white men (let alone black) in America versus Europe.

Even if you remove from the equation every black person shooting - and every black person being shot - then America's problems do not go away. Look how many white men got shot by Police in America last year and compare that to how many white men got shot by Police in Britain or Germany or France etc - even after adjusting for population. Look how many Police in America were murdered by white criminals last year, versus the same in Britain etc

Race is a side-issue. An easy issue to virtue signal on, while ignoring the real endemic of violence. It is not America's primary problem.

"Marginal"? What exactly do you mean when you say "marginal"?

"Relatively marginal factor"

Can't find the figures for young black vs young white, but in 2016 overall white 2.9 deaths per million, overall black 6.66 deaths per million. 6.66 / 2.90 = a factor of 2.3

In the UK for 2016 there were a total of 4 deaths by Police shootings in the entire year. Divided by the UK's population of 65.64 million in 2016 that meant a death ratio of 0.06 deaths per million.

Comparing America's white only deaths of 2.90 and comparing to the UK's overall deaths of 0.06 per million ... 2.90 / 0.06 = a factor of 48.3

Now which is larger? A factor of 2.3 or a factor of 48.3? For my maths a factor of 2.3 is relatively marginal compared to a factor of 48.3

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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer

You're a slimy little cunt aren't you? No one was talking about resisting arrest. Not you, not Trump, and not the police who were cheering and clapping during the speech. You would have been better off tucking your tail between your legs and ignoring this topic existed like you did with the racism and freedom of speech conversation.

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Due to liberal crying police are often limited as to how they can bring in resisting offenders. See discussions on police hurting rioters and other such nonsense. Criminals run with disturbing frequency because there is no real penalty for doing it. A lot of arrests are violent struggles.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

A lot of arrests are violent struggles.

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This is going to be fun.

Source? If you're going to try and distract from a retarded statement without owning it, you should at least try to not use an even more retarded statement.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

Due to liberal crying police are often limited as to how they can bring in resisting offenders. See discussions on police hurting rioters and other such nonsense. Criminals run with disturbing frequency because there is no real penalty for doing it. A lot of arrests are violent struggles.

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Why should they not run?

Attacking an officer is one thing but how is running something that requires assault? It may require a rugby tackle to take them down, but I don't see why it takes any more once they're in custody.

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Originally Posted by RandBlade

Why should they not run?

Attacking an officer is one thing but how is running something that requires assault? It may require a rugby tackle to take them down, but I don't see why it takes any more once they're in custody.

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http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/cr...r-chase-video/

There needs to be consequences for running.

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/cr...r-chase-video/

There needs to be consequences for running.

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There is. It's called resisting arrest. Why do you care so little about constitutional protections?

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Originally Posted by Loki

There is. It's called resisting arrest. Why do you care so little about constitutional protections?

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Often if they bother with it they don't tack on to the sentence they do it concurrently instead of consecutively.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0141854

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ite-drivers-2/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/us...ing-black.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-murder-rate/
https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2016/...timore/495245/
https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/u...ing-black.html

Surprising absolutely no-one, because most murders are committed by black people:

http://www.pnas.org/content/114/25/6521.full

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This work demonstrates that body camera footage can be used as a rich source of data rather than merely archival evidence, and paves the way for developing powerful language-based tools for studying and potentially improving police–community relations.

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Sounds positive :up:

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Originally Posted by RandBlade

Sounds positive :up:

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Surprising absolutely no-one, RB focuses on the least interesting part of the paper.

Citation needed.

Least interesting to you maybe. The authors put it as the conclusion to their section they named "Significance" and emphasised by highlighting with a circle at the top of the page. Implies the authors consider it far from being least interesting to actually being of significance.

Most significant part of the paper is summarized in the abstract:

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We find that officers speak with consistently less respect toward black versus white community members, even after controlling for the race of the officer, the severity of the infraction, the location of the stop, and the outcome of the stop. Such disparities in common, everyday interactions between police and the communities they serve have important implications for procedural justice and the building of police–community trust.

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Totally unsurprising that you would ignore that part.

That was the least surprising part of the article. I was expecting that, were you not? That would be like saying the most significant part of the paper is saying the sun rises in the East.

I care more about what we do about that and how do we move on from here.

EDIT: Though it is amusing that you find one portion of the abstract you found significant to be more significant than that which the authors themselves wrote as being the "Significance" of the article. Totally unsurprising that you ignored that which even the authors themselves highlighted as it didn't suit your agenda.

Even scientists have to eat.

And they do so not just by repeating the obvious we all already know.

How exactly are you reconciling there being only a few bad cops with cops systematically treating African Americans worse than whites?

Simply treating an African American with less respect than a white person is not a good thing, but does not make you a bad cop. Nor does it not make sense, considering that blacks as a whole are more violent. If you sub-divide whites into skinhead whites and other whites you'd probably get an identical response.

I will act slightly differently I'm dealing with someone with a strong Irish accent or a chavvy Brit due to my experiences with gypsies and chavs. I will be immediately on guard and it is not racism, it is self-preservation.