Ah, my mistake. She'd be 69 for starters. And no one shows their hand 6 years early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
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Ah, my mistake. She'd be 69 for starters. And no one shows their hand 6 years early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
You didn't think age mattered with male candidates, when McCain was running. She's 11 years younger than McCain. But for her age matters? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
The Democrats were the ones who made age an issue. So now they'll have to live with the consequences. :noob:Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
Back to lolli's question, if Clinton said she'd run, every single one of her moves between now and then would be viewed as a challenge to Obama and as an attempt to improve her position at his expense.
I recall the argument was more along voter age demographics than candidate age. It just so happened that many young voters identified with the Democratic party, while many senior voters identified with the Republican party. During the '08 Presidential election, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
The mid-term elections were a classic mixed-bag. Throw the Incumbents out belonged more to Independent (and Tea Party) voters than party line voters, regardless of age.
I recall the argument being, "OMG, McCain will die in office", which was emphasized even more after Palin was chosen as the VP candidate.
American music awards in Europe?
That was one of MY complaints during the campaign. Related more to his age + health history, than just his age alone. Same standard applied to Cheney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Which brings me to an interesting (WTF) hypothetical. Regarding cognitive mental health, not just physical health or age-related health. If we identify a progressive dementia or Alzheimer's gene, would that preclude anyone from running for Presidency or congress?
Would we demand that test of our Incumbents, instead of pushing for sweeping term limits?
:think:
edit---better yet, would we demand a full health screening AND genetic health screening before anyone can run for office? I can't remember who shared it, but there were votes for a local candidate who died before the elections were over. [An end-stage cancer patient.] Now their whole election has to be reconfigured and done again. :bulb:
:think:
Of course, since I can't seem to make this text white, I'll include the link. The only thing I could think when I read this was..."Only in Wyoming"!Quote:
Wyo. cops lose box of drugs that says 'METH' on it
JACKSON, Wyo. (AP) - Officials in Wyoming want people to be on the lookout for a black box with white lettering that says "METH," after a deputy lost a stash used to train police dogs. Teton County sheriff's Sgt. Lloyd Funk said the deputy accidentally left the box on a bumper after a canine training exercise Oct. 27. It contained nearly an ounce of methamphetamine.
The deputy drove off with the drugs perched on the vehicle.
The Jackson Hole News & Guide reported that officers literally trying to get drugs off the street haven't been able to find the box.
Anyone with information is being asked to call the sheriff's office. Sheriff Jim Whalen says someone possessing the amount of meth that was lost would face a felony charge.
Whalen says his office is taking action to make sure the mistake isn't repeate
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101104/D9J9GCFG1.html
At the top-left of the post control box (whether using in place editing or the advanced editor) there's an icon with two overlayed letter "A"s with a red x. Highlight the text and click that, and it'll remove all formatting from it, including the black coloring on what you copy-pasted.
AHA! I gots it now...until the next time, when I will promptly forget it! :haha:
KILL IT WITH FIRE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD_NdnYrDzY
CANNOT UNSEE
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...283093059.htmlOr, from another news article:Quote:
Schröder rejects Bush assertion he initially backed US-led war on Iraq
DEREK SCALLY in Berlin
Thu, Nov 11, 2010
FORMER GERMAN chancellor Gerhard Schröder has dismissed as “untrue” claims that, initially, he was a supporter of a US-led war on Iraq.
The claim, made by former US president George W Bush in his memoirs, has revived an old enmity between the two leaders that damaged bilateral relations ahead of the Iraq war.
In his memoir Decision Points , Mr Bush remembers hitting it off with Mr Schröder initially and being impressed by his support after the September 11th attacks.
Just four months later, in January 2002, Mr Bush recalls discussing with Mr Schröder the growing stand-off between the US and Saddam Hussein over allegations that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.
After he judged diplomacy with Iraq had been exhausted, Mr Bush recalls in his memoirs telling the German leader how he was prepared to use military force against Iraq.
According to Mr Bush, Mr Schröder replied: “What is true of Afghanistan is true of Iraq. Nations that sponsor terror must face consequences. If you make it fast and make it decisive, I will be with you.”
Mr Bush said he took this as a “statement of support” and was dismayed when Mr Schröder took a different view later that year.
“As someone who valued personal diplomacy, I put a high premium on trust,” wrote Mr Bush. “Once that trust was violated, it was hard to have a constructive relationship again.”
In the autumn of 2002, Mr Schröder came from behind to win re-election after using stump speeches to denounce the US “military misadventures” in Iraq.
Yesterday the German leader said his January 2002 support for an invasion of Iraq was not as presented by Mr Bush. “The former president of the United States is not telling the truth,” he said.
“I made clear that Germany would stand beside the US should Iraq . . . prove to have provided protection and hospitality to al-Qaeda fighters. As it became clear during 2002, this connection was false and misconstrued.”
In his own memoirs, Mr Schröder was far from flattering of the US president, dismissing his “near-biblical semantics”.
He expressed concern that Mr Bush gave the impression that his “political decisions are a result of this conversation with God”.
According to Mr Schröder’s former spokesman Uwe Karsten-Heye, Berlin realised early on that they were dealing with a man of a “low intelligence threshold who had no idea what was going on”.
© 2010 The Irish Times
:haha:Quote:
"We noticed that the intellectual reach of the president of the most important nation at the time was exceptionally low," Uwe-Karsten Heye, who was Schroeder's spokesman at the time, told German news channel N24, according to the Telegraph. "For this reason, it was difficult to communicate with him. He had no idea what was happening in the world. He was so fixated on being a Texan. I think he knew every longhorn in Texas."
At least Bush wasn't a traitor. :bored: For all bad policies Bush implemented, at least he didn't jeopardize his country's national security just to get a cushy job from another country.
News to me. How did he "jeopardize Germany's national security"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
That I must hear.
If you don't count going into a war based on lies treason ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Anyway, I didn't post it because I agreed with it, but I read it and found the insults amusing :p No need to react to everything this serious, man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard..._controversiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
So let's see, he does something that enjoys no German popular support, wasn't seriously debated, undermined the unity of the EU, didn't mention his conflict of interest, and then promptly got a cushy job working for that same project the second he left office.
Well the post was about who we can trust. I'd rather trust an idiot than a traitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
And you define that as "national security"? Good god, man, by that measure Bush should have been stood against the wall at least thrice now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
What about an idiot traitor?Quote:
Well the post was about who we can trust. I'd rather trust an idiot than a traitor.
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_la...lo1_r9_500.gif
Looking at the end results, the traitor seems far more preferable than the idiot.
Emphasis on "from another country" :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Loki
It's much harder to betray your own country and get a job in the same country. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
Have you seen the fallout from the Wikileaks shit? Mission fucking accomplished, they managed the reverse of all they supposedly intended
You mean in terms of Assange destroying himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
No
Then what? Haven't heard much since the last leak (except Russia making veiled threats after WikiLeaks threatened to expose some Russian secrets).
You remember those cartoons about the link to al-qaida?
Turns out that after you guys fucked everything up, Iraq is a much more fertile ground for recruitment
In terms of attacking Americans in Iraq or elsewhere? Haven't really heard of Iraqi terrorists operating outside of Iraq.
And they did before the invasion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
The justification for going into Iraq after the WMD thing turned out to be bogus was humanitarian concerns. (I won't touch on the inherent idiocy of waging war in the interests of human rights and well-being) Iraq has more al-Qaida members, training and recruitment than it did prior to the invasion. Iraqis are killing one another at a pace much more advanced than under Saddam. In addition American forces are lobbing Hellfire missiles on people randomly, willy-nilly. Of course now they're leaving, so only Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence will remain, but quantifiably the US invasion added to the total of Iraqi human suffering. The easy solution is to say Iraqi nationals are not humans, or at least not worthy of human rights, but again that flies right in the face of the rationale behind this little nation-building exercise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Yeah, but we knew all that before WikiLeaks. I thought you were referring to some new revelation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
You're skipping over the media storm that Collateral Murder created, at least I figured thats why she brought up the hellfire missiles. Don't remember anything we did over there reaching that level of coverage, even as far back as when we blew up the wedding at the beginning of the invasion. The fact your immediately tried to alter it into a form personally againist Assange, as you've done before when wikileaks was discussed, was a little humorous however.
As far as I could tell, the media already forgot about it.
american media, and how does that mean that there was no fallout? :bulb: What they release, with the right framing, hell of a propaganda tool.
Propaganda tool for whom? Is it going to convince anyone who wasn't already convinced?
and you fail to see how that question (or more directly, the answer) relates to what the thread has been discussing for the last ~15 posts? :noob:
We might've known it in the Leonard Cohen sense, but now there's numbers and an actual paper trail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Not so much WTF as HFS,
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...nhed>1=42007
We have chickens on the property :bulb:
Ybor is slightly famous for them, but thats a good 10 miles away. I've lived in this general area my entire life, and I've never seen them this far south. Then all of a sudden 5 chickens just appeared in the back yard. They roam all over the neighborbood but keep coming back. I assume to eat the cat and dog food. Brandy has the worst guard dogs ever!
Kids named them all already, one is called KFC
Caught one of them chickens
Will you be frying it or grilling it?
