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As always I have a point and clearly you can't say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Do you think Covid is still a threat? If you do then protests where social distancing is ignored will lead to a second wave and the deaths in the black community per 100k are going to dwarf the deaths per 100k by cop. The simple reality is that death by cop is a relatively rare thing considering all other forms of death in America. And even with that, most death by cop is justified, most are not unarmed.
Again, are you some kind of moron, or is there some other reason you're being stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Is it because you're a sad little bootlicker?
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If they engaged in manslaughter than they get charged with manslaughter. To be charged with felony murder you need to be charged with a different felony and then have a dead guy result. There is no "integral part of a manslaughter" charge besides manslaughter itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Fair enough. Accessory might be the better offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
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Interesting that some did learn a lesson from all this (watch the whole thing).
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Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Death by cop, and police brutality don't have to be "rare" to be antithetical to Democratic norms. But even when there's a clear pattern over time that exposes Police actions as extensions of tyrannical authoritarianism, you still can't see it as a threat?
WTF, forget covid, maybe the virus we really need to worry about comes from trolls like you. :donkey:
Not typically a felony but a misdemeanor. If it is a misdemeanor in the context then it cannot be the hook for a felony-murder rider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
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MacIver News Service | May 29, 2020
Dane County and the City of Madison told Catholic churches on Thursday to limit mass attendance to 50 people or face hefty fines, according to an email from the diocese obtained by the MacIver News Service.
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"Madison protest continues. Police chief says they aren’t arresting people tonight."
What a fucked up part of the country. We are going to use police resources to monitor church attendance but not use police resources to stop people from violating the 50+ gathering rule *while looting and rioting.* Clown world.
You make a great tyranophile. Let's allow the government to ban protests. Let's give China a run for its money.
I am in favor of peaceful protesters who obey the law. Always will be. Once you break the law, you are criminals and are treated as such. Now I'm not talking about jaywalking or some nonsense but actual laws such as assault, vandalism, burglary, battery etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
"actual laws" :haha:
But not killing people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Remarkable you still can't bring yourself into criticising killing people.
You know what I meant - there are certain laws that are technically illegal but are never treated as serious crimes by the police, the public or anyone. IE jaywalking, going a couple of mph over the speed limit etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Lewk you're such a racist hypocrite no one understands your points. Where on your scale of "actual laws" would unlawful assembly fall? Or impeding the rights of emergency vehicles? Or failing to pay for toothpaste?
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Originally Posted by Aimless
French study about hydroxicloriquine. It seems journalist clinical studies do better than scientists. At this time, WHO telling us hydroxicloriquine does not work, while we know its politically adversarial position towards USA, diminishes WHO credibility.
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Also, you could blame WHO for late response to COVID worldwide.
Jan 7. CDC establishes an improved tracking system.
Jan 20. First COVID case in USA
Jan 23. WHO said it was too soon to declare emergency. Source, WHO website.
Jan 31. Trump bans travelers from China. WHO opposed.
Mar 11. WHO declares emergency. WHO responded 40 days after Trump banned travel from China.
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And despite WHO being the one who reacted late, way after Trump, media still lies and bashes with gossipy attitude.
How late did Trump react? He banned Chinese travelers 40 days BEFORE WHO declared emergency.
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Medical professionals of CCSS (Costa Rican NHS equivalent) defends the use of hydroxicloriquine. As you may know, Costa Rica has been very successful in mitigation. Also, if you see the official figures, in USA for each 1 dead there are 3 recovered (24% mortality) while Costa Rica has only 2%. If you are going to tell me mortality underestimates presymptomatic patients I will also say that death toll is also underestimated because hospitals do not test all dead people either. It looks that hydroxicloriquine is just a trashing tool to defame Trump.
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Spain reports about 43000 people dead due to COVID.
Government promoted a huge march, ignoring social distancing.
Government knew about the problem and the day after the march, they declared emergency.
Virtue signaling that costs lives.
Spanish people are very upset.
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Tell Spanish people that COVID is a flu, and you will see them upset.
And yet look at US media.
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Misdemeanors is the word you're looking for in the American legal system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Trespassing is one of those too.
So. Is Tegnell going to resign? Or is being responsible for hundreds maybe thousands of deaths not a good enough reason?
The entire group should be removed, but, so long as they have the support of the govt and a majority of Swedes, the pressure to resign can be withstood. Remember—their position is that they're right, and that they'll be proven right within a year or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
I understand from the media they are no longer claiming they were entirely right and that their choices have caused more deaths than necessary (basically what most people outside Sweden already knew).Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
His remarks have been somewhat mischaracterized. They're saying they mostly did the best they could've done, based on what they knew (note: as opposed to what everyone else suspected were plausible risks). They're not actually taking responsibility for the care home deaths, only saying they should've tested a little more at care homes. They're not conceding any real criticism re. suppression measures. The framing remains the same: we know a few more things now that, in hindsight, may have influenced policies to a small extent earlier on in the epidemic, but we're doing about as well as one could've expected, and everyone else will end up doing about as poorly as we have. It's not an acknowledgement that our approach was outright wrong—it's just an attempt to defuse the criticism by saying we have done a decent job, but that we could've done a little better. I'm being a little harsh, but his subsequent comments to Swedish media suggests he doesn't agree with the substantive criticism of analysis and strategy; he only regrets that it somehow turned out to be worse than they'd expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Fascinating thread. The graph in Tweet 7 is shocking.
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Georgia and Florida still doing better than NY and NJ by a massive margin. :)
Um, Georgia has about 70% as many cases as New York despite having half the population. Florida has roughly the same number of new per capita cases as New York. And there's the fact New York cases are decreasing, while the Georgia and Florida ones are not.
The metric I'm suing is deaths per capita. So let's continue to monitor and see how the next month goes, my prediction is they get no where near the death rate in NY. How could it when they don't have governors incompetent enough to house Covid patients in nursing homes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
First, IANAL and this may vary from state to state, but I actually think most of those would be civil infractions, which are even less serious than misdemeanors. Trespassing I believe is generally considered a misdemeanor and not a civil infraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
That's a dumb metric. It reflects infections from weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
If you don't realize what differences there might be between NY/NJ and far less urban and hotter states of the south, then you're truly hopeless.
You're a f###ing moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
What's the population density in Florida vs New York?
Deaths per capita is the fairest metric to use. Some states chose to live on top of each other like sardines... *shrugs* their choice and the risk associated with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
It is the only number that actually matters in the end. While yes it is a lagging indicator, but it will be what will ultimately be the measure of what state governors did well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Right, Lewk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
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Originally Posted by Lewkowski
You do understand it's not a fucking league sport or something?
How's that look plotted per capita across the country? Raw numbers are meaningless in a state vs state comparison w/o per capita totals. And ultimately the number dead per capita is what matters, if TX is smarter about protecting old folks compared to NY that will reflect in the eventual data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Yo, it's an election year. Examining which party is doing better in handling a pandemic is important when deciding how to cast your vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
And you think you're doing this by making it 'fair' by dumbly looking at one number and ignoring all other bits of information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Its the ultimate metric. I suppose you could add things like "long term physical problems due to covid" but the data gets messy. Other variables are of course important to look at *for other reasons* such as state re-openings, preparing hospitals for surges etc but in the end if one state has twice as many cases but half as many deaths (unlikely) the deaths are what matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Wait till you find out how messy the death data across states is.
It's not the ultimate metric. Avoidable deaths etc are which means taking other factors into account. Eg is there an avoidable second peak in the virus because they screwed up etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Think about who this virus is hitting hardest and whose lives Lewk values least.
This sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint