True... but the moochers were going to vote Democrat anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
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True... but the moochers were going to vote Democrat anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
All three major networks have now called it for Obama.
edit: Interestingly, Romney's still apparently got the vote in the popular by nearly a million.
So, stoned is in, but up the butt is out?
:)
That's what the results are showing now. Exit polls are showing they're both in though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
There really should a good joke here about exit polls and butts. Somebody help me out.
edit: latest results show gay marriage approved with a 4 point lead, and marijuana legalization with 10 points.
That would be amusing, but Obama is going to pick up an extra 1.2 million votes in California.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith
It's too hilarious a result for me not to hope for it.
Argh...now 52/48....with only 37% reporting...with rural areas the ones that need to cough up their votes.
WOOT, looks like it's been called 54/46 with 46% reporting.
Santorum/Bachmann 2016, babyQuote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
We'll be looking at another governor I suspect. Jeb, Jindal or Chris. I don't see it in the cards for someone to come from the legislature (at least not from the current group).
It hasn't been called yet, but it looks pretty likely that teh gays can marry here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Also, we're going to have charter schools now.
Na, na, na, hey, hey, hey, goodbye Rom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE
Congratulations to our American friends on electing a President again.
Oh thee shining beacon of personal responsibility. When shit goes right for you, it was all you. When shit goes bad, it was all them. Lost the election. Could it have been because of an inferiour candidate? Surely not. It was the moochers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
You guys are blame moochers. Point that accusing finger towards your own for once. It will point out areas of improvement. It will increase your chances in 2016.
Or go the whaaambulance way again. Not so funny when the steeringwheel is in your hands is it Lewkieboy? :)
there is something wrong with your message/position when your road to the whitehouse involves the hope that certain citizens can't/won't vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
It's also not necessary. Australia has compulsory voting and had the very conservative John Howard as PM from '96 to '07 (winning 4 elections in total).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Donald Trump is going absolutely apeshit on twitter. It's amazing.
http://i.imgur.com/JTjhS.png
shit, ziggy already pointed towards this lady
Indirectly. You did contribute :up:
Now, that is a smug face.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...tian/KRz7m.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...tian/5Yze6.jpg
That's gonna be one hell of a hangover
Is Florida going to return a candidate or are they just going to not bother this election?
Some parts of Florida are a bit older and slower. They just need to take things nice and easy.
They're holding up the rest of the country.
My thoughts on this whole thing:
- After a long political cycle and several billion dollars spent campaigning, we basically kept the status quo. I almost would have preferred some kind of landslide to break some of the legislative deadlock in DC (even if it means more socialist policies for the moment).
- Obama had the substantial advantage of having many corners of the media ludicrously in the tank for him. And arguably he got lucky from Hurricane Sandy. But Obama also ran a good campaign. His up-front investment to negatively charactarize Mitt Romney worked quite well -- Obama's campaign was digging into R-Money well before Romney won the primary. This was risky but shrewd.
- When you look at the votes in each of the states (especially swing states) it's hard to not notice how narrow the margins are. The country definitely shifted right, but not enough to tip things towards Romney.
- Obama will now own the economy more than ever before. This bullshit about him "inheriting" a bad economy will be more obviously nonsense than before (it's amazing it got him this far). We can only pray his concerns for his legacy will cause him to take the time to understand economics and business a bit more.
- I'm glad my preferred candidate won re-election, overall a nice day.
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EDIT: A surprisingly not-insane and sober-minded analysis, for the New Yorker.
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November 7, 2012
REQUIEM FOR ROMNEY
Posted by Nicholas Lemann
For a guy who insists, no doubt sincerely, that he isn’t a politician and doesn’t need the elixir of victory, Mitt Romney has spent a lot of his life running for office. It’s been almost twenty years since he challenged Ted Kennedy in a Massachusetts Senate race. That campaign, his direction of the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, and his one term as governor of Massachusetts in the early aughts were all planned and executed at a more than local level of ambition, with the idea of positioning him for bigger things—and within two or three years of taking office in Massachusetts, Romney was running for President, through two endlessly long election cycles. And now it’s over.
Last night’s results demonstrate how far you can get in politics on determination, organizational skills, and fundraising. Romney, far less obviously talented as a politician than Barack Obama—or, for that matter, than George W. Bush or John McCain (both of whom, in their best days, could connect powerfully with a crowd)—came very close to winning the national popular vote and outperformed McCain in 2008 by quite a lot, in both electoral and popular votes. The diminishment in excitement around Obama this time around, compared to four years ago, shouldn’t obscure that in 2008 he was almost a political novice and in 2012 he was an incumbent President. It’s obvious only in retrospect that his Republican opponent would have had better odds this time than last.
The seeds of Romney’s defeat were sown during Bush’s second term. Bush and Karl Rove were fully aware of how unfavorable the country’s changing demographics were to the Republican Party. First-term initiatives like the No Child Left Behind education bill and the Medicare prescription-drug benefit were meant to lure important Democratic constituencies (mothers and senior citizens respectively) to the Republican side. After Bush’s reëlection, a big proposed change in the structure of Social Security was supposed to persuade Americans that they could entrust their retirement savings to an ever-rising stock market, instead of to the government, and a sweeping immigration-reform plan was supposed to bring Latino voters into the G.O.P. But these both failed; the intra-party revolt over immigration reform in the summer of 2006, which took the Bush White House by surprise, nearly guaranteed that in 2008 and 2012, the ever-rising number of Latino voters would represent wind in the Democrats’ sails.
The idea that Obama can be understood as a former community organizer feels over-simplified; the idea that Romney can be understood as a former management consultant, maybe not. Always briefed, always punctual, always impeccably neat, always selling, Romney seemed to regard the tricky politics of the Republican party—an increasingly unlikely coalition of business interests and social-issue populists—as a problem to be solved. All that was just an obstacle on the way to his real goal, which was applying the lessons of a lifetime doing turnarounds to the federal government. All Presidential candidates zig away from the center during the primaries and zag back to the center in the fall. Romney did this more stiffly than other Presidential candidates, more obviously—as if he were executing a PowerPoint strategic plan. But that’s who he is.
The morning after, everybody was saying that the Republican Party was in deep trouble: too much Tea Party; too few minorities, young people, and women. Don’t be so sure. In 2016, the Republican nominee will almost certainly be more dynamic and charming onstage than Romney, and the Democratic nominee will almost certainly be less inspiring than Obama. The economy, one hopes, will be better than it is now, and that will mean that voters’ natural impulse to look for government’s help during times of trouble will be reduced. The country won’t be mired in an unpopular Republican-originated war. In this campaign, Obama devoted most of his energies to making a case against Romney, not to building public support for his and his party’s agenda, and now a closely divided Washington will almost certainly deny him the chance to build a policy case for the next Democratic nominee. The Republicans will take every opportunity to build an argument that the Democrats are wild over-taxers and over-spenders, without letting them tax for and spend on programs that would obviously build gratitude and loyalty among middle-class voters.
Romney’s performance shows us the baseline level of what the national Republican apparatus, when fully funded and motivated, can achieve—and, compared to 2008, that level is rising. It will surely occur to the party elders that it won’t be hard to find a Presidential candidate more electrifying than Romney, and that it’s possible to change the nominating process so that it is not quite so empowering to the party’s minor figures and non-mainstream constituencies. Romney’s legacy will be whetting his party’s appetite for what might be possible without Romney as its leader. From a Republican point of view, that’s a real achievement on Romney’s part.
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...or-romney.html
Sounds similar to Romney's concession speech. We will pray for the President's success. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
How about a real effort to work together, make some compromises, find common ground, and make the Grand Bargain before sequestration kicks in? Ya know....actual governance.
What are you blabbering about. Personal responsibility in the outcome of a democratic election? Hardly on the same level of budgeting, hard work and delaying gratification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
Lewk, it was a subtle reference to Obama's comment on shared responsibility, taken out of context by (R), and coming back with the retort, "We built that!"
Yes, the GOP/RNC did build their campaign, and built it on an inferior candidate. Own it. ;)