You Bunch of Broken Freaks!

Chaloobi, Being, Nessus, and Khen.

Oh noes! Socialists! Run for teh hills!

Seriously, I don't quite see where my supposedly being "socialist" invalidates my criticism of Lewk's obvious hipocrisy.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Chaloobi, Being, Nessus, and Khen.

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I contend everyone on this board is socialist to a degree. You singling out a few just shows your refusal to accept that the quality of life you enjoy is riddled with socialist values.

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Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro

Oh noes! Socialists! Run for teh hills!

Seriously, I don't quite see where my supposedly being "socialist" invalidates my criticism of Lewk's obvious hipocrisy.

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When did I say that?

When you say Socialists, do you mean Social Democrats?

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

When you say Socialists, do you mean Social Democrats?

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Anyone who wants a predominant role for the state in managing the means of production. So yes, social democrats would be included, as would democratic socialists, national socialists, and communists.

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

When you say Socialists, do you mean Social Democrats?

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I believe he means anyone who recognizes the limitations of Capitalism.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Anyone who wants a predominant role for the state in managing the means of production. So yes, social democrats would be included, as would democratic socialists, national socialists, and communists.

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I mean when labelling those specific people.

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

I mean when labelling those specific people.

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Loki uses it as a slur, not an objective opinion.

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

I mean when labelling those specific people.

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Yeah, that's why I didn't include Tear or Illusions.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Yeah, that's why I didn't include Tear or Illusions.

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You have absolutely no objective reasoning to back this up. But I'm willing to play with you. What industries do I want nationalized?

Captain Nuance strikes again, my work is done here.

What a crappy name :(

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Originally Posted by Loki

Anyone who wants a predominant role for the state in managing the means of production. So yes, social democrats would be included, as would democratic socialists, national socialists, and communists.

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What do you even mean by that? I hope you're not aiming at "evil regulations"?

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Originally Posted by Loki

Chaloobi, Being, Nessus, and Khen.

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Well, I am not a socialist. And who is this Chaloobi character. I haven't seen any posts of his, but by the talk around here he must be a fairly clever guy. :up:

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Well, I am not a socialist.

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So you are a Capitalist?

Well fuck me, I'm totally being ignored in this thread. Fuck you.

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Originally Posted by Being

So you are a Capitalist?

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Is that how it is? One or the other? Capitalism is very useful, very powerful in the right circumstance, but needs to be regulated strictly and accompanied by social safety nets to aid those left out.

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Originally Posted by Being

Well fuck me, I'm totally being ignored in this thread. Fuck you.

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Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Is that how it is? One or the other? Capitalism is very useful, very powerful in the right circumstance, but needs to be regulated strictly and accompanied by social safety nets to aid those left out.

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Then it is not Capitalism so why call it that and give people like Loki a word to use in arguments that distinguish one from the other?

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Originally Posted by Being

You have absolutely no objective reasoning to back this up. But I'm willing to play with you. What industries do I want nationalized?

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You just want the government to decide which domestic industries will succeed and which will not. You want it to decide which industries are allowed to compete internationally and which are not. You want the government to tell companies where they can and cannot hire workers, and where they can and cannot invest money. You want the banking sector to be virtually controlled by the government. Full nationalization would make a minimal difference from the system you'd prefer.

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Originally Posted by Loki

You just want the government to decide which domestic industries will succeed and which will not. You want it to decide which industries are allowed to compete internationally and which are not. You want the government to tell companies where they can and cannot hire workers, and where they can and cannot invest money. You want the banking sector to be virtually controlled by the government. Full nationalization would make a minimal difference from the system you'd prefer.

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You are wrong on all accounts. I want the government to help us be competative in the global market for goods, not just services. Services doesn't seem to be capable of paying the bills. Let's get back to basics a manufacture stuff that the rest of the world will buy.

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Originally Posted by Being

You are wrong on all accounts. I want the government to help us be competative in the global market for goods, not just services. Services doesn't seem to be capable of paying the bills. Let's get back to basics a manufacture stuff that the rest of the world will buy.

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By being competitive, you mean not allowing "outsourcing" and forcing companies to pay union wages? Pray tell how increasing their labor and non-labor costs would make these companies competitive.

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Originally Posted by Being

You are wrong on all accounts. I want the government to help us be competative in the global market for goods,

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By which you mean you want the government to treat manufacturing the way we treat domestic sugar farming.

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Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy

By which you mean you want the government to treat manufacturing the way we treat domestic sugar farming.

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What on Earth does sugar subsidies have to do with manufacturing goods?

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Originally Posted by Loki

By being competitive, you mean not allowing "outsourcing" and forcing companies to pay union wages? Pray tell how increasing their labor and non-labor costs would make these companies competitive.

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Do you even want Americans to have jobs? Never mind, all you'll ever have to do is teach them how to live without.

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Originally Posted by Being

Do you even want Americans to have jobs?

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Nice dodge. Please tell me how inflating labor and non-labor costs of American firms would boost their competitiveness.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Nice dodge. Please tell me how inflating labor and non-labor costs of American firms would boost their competitiveness.

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Tell me who is inflating the cost. To make it easy for you, just reference my quote from Warren Buffett about Squanderville.

Sorry for expecting a straightforward response from you.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Sorry for expecting a straightforward response from you.

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How much more staightforward can a person be? It's not that our labor costs are high, it's that their manufacturing costs are artificially low. They don't have to pay for clean air or clean water...yet. Why can't we compete with that?

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Originally Posted by Being

What on Earth does sugar subsidies have to do with manufacturing goods?

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How else do you think you're going to get companies to make a return on unprofitable investments? What bit of magic do you think makes manufacturing here profitable but something companies simply choose to ignore? If you want manufacturing here, you're going to have to do the same thing we do with sugar. They're the same market problem.

You do know that article you posted isn't talking about manufactured goods, right? Imports/exports are not synonyms for manufactured goods.