Why bother when you refuse to either listen to anyone who disagrees with you or even do your own research? You could probably find some surveys within 5 minutes of googling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
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Why bother when you refuse to either listen to anyone who disagrees with you or even do your own research? You could probably find some surveys within 5 minutes of googling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
What is the whole, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
And the same does not apply to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
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No, it doesn't. I actually have empirical and theoretical evidence to support my views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
Take your blinders off and find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
So it's important for the economy that faggots be denied marriage, and other human rights? Cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Since you know, and I don't, how about you tell me.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
I've been rather taken in with Lewk's notions of justice being defined as bad things being done to people who do bad things :noob: but this here is another illustration of why we clash so often: you are obsessed with blame. You immediately chose to interpret my explanation as blame when what I was trying to do was help you understand why I reacted the way I did. The reason I offered that explanation was because I didn't want you to raging over it to the point where you'd continue to automatically dismiss my every post (or deliberately interpret them in the worst way possible).Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Believe it or not I'm a human being and react to things, sometimes before the moral computer finishes booting. If you do something and I get angry then it's good if I tell you that I got angry and why I think I got angry. Being angry is normal and okay and being able to talk about our feelings and motivations is a good strategy for damage control. What you're trying to do is make my anger illegitimate, which doesn't help anyone. It's another way to bully people is what it is.
What you did was to attack Chaloobi and ignore his faltering attempt to question his biases. You did this mercilessly and without quarter (because you denied him even the slightest chance to defend himself/save face), thus leaving room for little else but retaliation. Don't pretend to be nicer or more constructive than you were after the fact. It's another way to press people down. "I was just being nice and helpful, why are you being so mean/touchy/hysterical??"Quote:
The only group claiming anyone is evil is your left-wing clique. I did nothing more than point out that Chaloobi was wrong on demonizing the right based on incredibly faulty logic. Apparently, this is bad.
You do this to people a lot don't you? And it works really well in real life because in real life there's no time to gather oneself after an emotional outburst due to being mercilessly hounded. Sucks for you that we're in a setting where we can easily gather ourselves and continue the conversation without conceding anything to your tactic of feigning integrity and decency.
Continue to rationalize your support for abuse. I don't think there's anything more to say to you.
Well, Dread seems Republican enough but he seems to love black gay marriage. He may have an odd way of showing it, but maybe that's the best you can expect in a two-party nation. I'm sure if there were a third powerful party that was Republican minus the racist homophobia he and many others would vote for that party, but as it is he's forced to take the bad with the good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
As for Republicans being the ignorant party: http://www.livescience.com/8067-surv...democrats.html
Dread, like me, is registered Democrat *or was last time it came up* And I got the impression that he actually crossed party lines less than I did. Of course, while we're both from so-called "blue" states, he's from NYC and I'm from a rural dairy town so we're often dealing with somewhat different faces of those parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
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Originally Posted by Aimless
If only...
What were you getting that advanced degree in? I forget whether it was something for biology or something for physics. Why don't you tell me everything I don't know about science. Or maybe I should just, you know, try to actually examine the world around me with an at least slightly open mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
Like I said, there are good reasons why you so often clash with normal human beings even on the internet. You can't accept people as people, and this leads to anger on your part. But hopefully you can understand how mercilessly provoking someone can lead to an angry outburst. And, with some time and guidance you can hopefully see when you've been provoking someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
People (even you) make mistakes (such as misunderstanding posts) and do bad things (such as baiting posters) and that isn't something to be ashamed of. To be able to live with people we need a healthy attitude towards mistakes and other failures. If you don't have that, you can't back out of these things in a good way and neither can you let others escape punishment for what you see as their failures. Is that the only way the world can be, in your view?
There are many ways to do things. Avoidance and punishment are just two ways. Pick some others please.
See, this is the sort of thing that puzzles me. What does it really mean to be a "registered Democrat"? In practice I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
I'd take you seriously if you applied the same standard to the right as you did to your own clique (or to yourself for that matter): http://www.theworldforgotten.com/showthread.php?t=1911
Holy crap this is the first I've heard about this rising menace... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch the Red
It means that unless there's an open primary, you can only vote in Democratic primaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
There are 14 posts in that thread, you'll have to be more specific as to which aspects you take issue with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
As for holding myself to the same standards, I am extremely tolerant of my own mistakes and my angry outbursts :D have you ever known me to be ashamed about making mistakes or getting angry?
But tbh sometimes I do find it difficult to concede things without "losing face" but I am extremely tolerant of that as well. I am only human after all, and it takes a while to master the fear of shame in a hostile environment such as this one.
That looks almost like a brilliant way to either sabotage or to fundamentally alter a party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Hmmm. It's also a bit weird, does this mean that American voters are forced to choose between either voting in the Democratic primaries or in the Republican primaries (as well as open primaries)? :weird:
If Lewk had the same outburst that your clique has on a regular basis, you'd all be calling for his head (not that him not having such an outburst prevented such calls from occurring).
The main functionality is that if something is limited by party *like many primaries* it determines who you're participating with. Aside from tactically "gaming the system" *which most people don't do* it's akin to a statement of general principles "I agree with these guys more than I agree with other guys." Since both parties are fairly amorphous and incredibly general in their principles, that mostly translates to "I strongly favor a few areas where these guys have a better presence than other guys." Most importantly for the response I made to you, Democrat is a label for someone in the Democratic party, Republican is a label for someone in the GOP, and you can't accurately call someone in the Democratic party a Republican. It is literally incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Oh, please stop your hypocrisy Mr. "I don't answer questions unless I can twist them".Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
If his views are actually Republican, I don't see why it should not be allowed to call a spade a spade. Unless you're trying to tell us that saying a thing does actually make it so.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
Then again, Lewk does the same thing: He calls himself a Christian when in reality he's anything but.
I applaud you for voicing disagreement without resorting to flames. Must be the first time I've seen that happen here.
And I applaud you for trolling while making it look like you're not. Good job! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
There are actually terms for people who have a political label which doesn't seem to fit. RINO, Republican-in-name-only is probably the most well-known. But seeing how Dread's political positions are pretty much those of a pro-business Democrat *pro-gay rights, appreciates affirmative action, non-religious, anti-death penalty, should I go on?* they don't really fit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
This is extremely unfortunate, I was looking forward to "DINO Dread" :heart: but thanks for the clarification. I must admit I'm finding the labels "democrat" and "republican" less and less useful.
If you're looking for a short-hand of what someone thinks politically, then yeah, they're pretty limited. They're more useful for talking about groups of people but even then, it only carries so far *which is where Nessus goes wrong, IMO* Subsets are neither the individual nor the whole and vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Terminology is limited because we have a two-party dominant system. No one knows where to put the millions of Independents or Undeclared voters.
Dread strikes me as a Log Cabin Republican more than his claim to be a "Democrat".