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Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Well, 7 is more recent and it's still Microsoft, wouldn't be that surprising if that hasn't changed. If they have improved that, that'd be nice. Have they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Rereading your post suggests it has, so that's nice.
And maybe it's you who keep dragging previous versions into this thread and making wild assumption on stuff that doesn't work like this in the newer versions for years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
I swear, sometimes this attitude reminds me of the Four Yorkshiremen.
WebWhatsapp doesn't work in Edge. I don't like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Try reading posts to discover this amazing thing called context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
The context is "Windows 10" not "totally irrelevant versions of OS" - I mean, seriously, you people gripe about some feature or other without bothering to check whether this very feature has been changed quite a bit in the years in between.
Shall I now trot out some of my experiences with Linux or MacOS from years ago which have similarly become irrelevant?
That's because they're idiots - if you're doing web applications, you're checking for capabilities not browsers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
No, the context was an exchange between Ominious and myself about the issue of third parties disabling little old ladies updates because they were annoying them, and I said the solution to that is to make them less annoying, not to remove the ability to disable updates. People then went on a slight tangent to rant about how annoying the updates were in Win 7 or below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
For your records, this is what normal humans sometimes do in normal human conversation.
So, more reading, less topic policing from you, please.
Sometimes you remind me of some guy who can't read :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Shouldn't you be hiding in some corner licking your wounds? You got pretty much burned by everyone in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
No it doesn't just "apply" the updates. Maybe for most it does that. But for many the "applying" part takes as long as the "installing" part on my Ubuntu. That just isn't how it supposed to be. And I speak about Windows 8 here, just before you got nuts again.
Booted in Windows 7 to test duel monitor setup, rebooted to get back to Ubuntu and am sat here watching it very slowly install 26 updates.
I suppose I deserve that.
OK something is really bugging me (as an irritant) and can anyone advise on how to fix it.
Windows 7 implemented one of the best updates in a long time with the 'dock' feature so you can drag a window to the left and it'll take up half the screen, drag another one to the right and it will take up the other half. Or press Windows+left or Windows+right on your keyboard.
One upgrade I was looking forward to in Win 10 is you can have corners and not just left and right. That seems to work as expected but for some odd reason whenever I dock something eg to the left it then puts everything else into some weird tiled mode on the right. Rather than leaving everything else as I had it. Then got to press escape or click to get rid of it. Any way to turn that off?
Its a preview, so you can easily click on which window you want to be docked on the other side of the screen. Since most people docked 2 windows if they are docking one, it makes the process more streamlined. It only happens when docking left and right and only when you already have multiple windows open.
OK that makes sense. It hasn't worked that way last few times I clicked on the windows and since I wasn't expecting it I was getting frustrated. Don't know if matters where you click, I just had it work as you described so came here and then saw your reply. :)
So, according to the Internet, by default Windows 10 harvests pretty much everything you do down to the keystroke and your mic usage, and anyone on Windows 10 should immediately go to Settings > Privacy and set everything to full scale, raving paranoia mode before your bank details are sold to Columbian drug lords or, worse, online ad networks.
But does it?
Near as I can tell, there are actually a few separate issues which are being presumed to tie together to turn Windows 10 into the biggest exercise in data-harvesting since ECHELON, but I have no idea what the software is *actually* doing with all this stuff.
1) By default, Windows 10 assigns every user a unique ID, which is then used to serve you targeted ads, because of course it does.
2) A bunch of your personal data (browser history, bookmarks, websites you have open, any saved passwords, and WiFi network names and passwords) is, again by default, when you sign in with a windows account synced to Microsoft servers, because of course it is.
3) This:
> To enable Cortana to provide personalized experiences
> and relevant suggestions, Microsoft collects and uses
> various types of data, such as your device location,
> data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from
> your emails and text messages, who you call, your
> contacts and how often you interact with them on your
> device.
> Cortana also learns about you by collecting data about
> how you use your device and other Microsoft services,
> such as your music, alarm settings, whether the lock
> screen is on, what you view and purchase, your browse
> and Bing search history, and more.
Cortana is of course probably no worse in this respect than Siri or Google voice search, but in light of 1) and 2) and the fact it's teh evil M$ this has freaked techno-cyber-libertarian types the fuck out.
4) This, in the the privacy policy:
"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services."
Ass-covering boilerplate or carte blanche to share all your details with anyone Microsoft feels like? You decide.
Personally, I think 1) is pretty despicable in and of itself, but the reading some of the more paranoid corners of the Internet is that Microsoft is using all the personal data it collects including everything Cortana collects (and, really, Cortana needs to collect this info in order to do its thing) and whatever it holds on the servers in order to show you targeted ads and of course to share with Big Brother whenever it gets the chance. This strikes me as more of a stretch.
I love how Cortana works on my phone, its learned my work schedule so it can warn me of traffic concerns going or coming, reads and replies to texts messages, keeps up on the calendar for facebook dates, and it knows what the fox says.
Same - phone Cortana is very helpful.
I just finished my work I needed to do after coming home for the day and went to Windows Update on my PC after it and "Upgrade to Windows 10" was ticked by default while all security updates for Windows 7 were unticked. So if I just clicked to install updates without reading it the upgrade to Win 7 would I guess have happened automatically.
Which makes me wonder if those who are set to have Windows 7 updates install automatically would instead be automatically upgrading to 10 now rather than updating seven?
Doesn't happen like that at all on my Windows 7 machine. If I manually tell it to check for updates (they've been set to auto update since day 1) I get the Windows 10 logo and a bolded message asking if I want to upgrade. No checklist shown. If I decline that to view the standard list of updates Windows 10 is not listed at all.
My mum's computer has a Windows 10 logo in the task bar, then you click on it and then there's a 'reserve your free upgrade' button. No option to till it to 'get tae fuck', but it's not trying to force the issue either.
My own copy of Windows 7 is not activated, so presumably I don't get to be upgraded.
Got my first system crash last night, on my now-Windows 10 Laptop. Went to make a coffee and a sandwich but when I came back the entire screen was black except for the white mouse outline. The mouse would move around but the screen was just black.
Didn't respond to anything (except for the moving mouse), so eventually tried pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del and the screen went grey (again except for the movable white mouse). Again it wouldn't respond to anything. Eventually I had to force a power reset.
That sounds like one of the many video card driver issues I've heard about. I'm still waiting on AMD to come up with a driver that doesn't make my second monitor blink every time I do something as basic as closing a browser tab or right-clicking.
NVidia support has been pretty shit so far. I earlier predicted a zero-day patch for their drivers; it never came. Windows has always recovered quickly for me, but it's still annoying how crashy NVidia's drivers are right now.
Guess I shouldnt have hope that they will be fixing Surround any time soon then :(
Thanks. My graphics card is an AMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echovirus
For those that lost fonts when upgrading to Windows 10 (like my look of disapproval) install these: https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B3FIi...xport=download
Last week the one on mine started popping up aggressively on start-up and every time the computer woke up from sleep. I finally gave in and told it to reserve and am expecting to have to kill attempts to slide me into upgrading before I want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
You do know that Windows 10 is riddled with spyware?
As I hadn't had any problems with my Laptop I updated my PC and have ran into a couple of localisation problems.
Firstly the date was being shown as 8/17/15 when it is of course 17/8/15. The short date default is the format M/d/yyyy with no equivalent d/M/yyyy option listed in the drop-box. The only d/m option is dd-MMM-yyyy (ie 17 Aug 2015). The Sage software I use gave an error message when I logged on saying that the system date was in the wrong format. It then couldn't interpret the dates properly based on that as it was showing dates as 17-008-0015 which is meaningless and unaccepted. I searched Google and found the solution is to go to Windows Date and Time Advanced Settings and manually type the format you want to use (ie dd/MM/yyyy) since Microsoft don't provide it as an option by default for some reason. Very bizarre and very poor to just ignore standard settings for much of the globe.
Second problem I've just ran into was I was working on an Excel spreadsheet and entered some prices. Went to format cells and selected the Accounting category to get the prices to show as prices ... and the currency selected was $ rather than £ as it normally would be.
As far as I know I'm still set to English language and English localisations in Windows so I have no idea why it'd change my default currency to the dollar.
EDIT: Found despite United Kingdom being the location my settings were changed elsewhere to English (United States).
Beat the Sage software developers over the head because they'reprobablydefinitely not knowing what they're doing.
Seriously, interpreting DateTime is a solved problem for decades now and the problem you had? It pops up because some stupid programmer, instead of using the language's DateTime-functions instead decided to roll his own function, fucking it up in the process. From your description they're obviously casting the DateTime to a string and then inflict regular expressions on it. No wonder that the program barfed.
Why not blame both?
Because the default DateTime format that Windows uses is culture-invariant, i.e. a universal representation of the current date and time which you then convert into a human-recognizable string of characters.
For instance, in C# it looks like this:
It's also easy to manipulate:Code:DateTime present = DateTime.Now;
var day = present.Day; //gives the number 17
var weekDay = present.DayOfWeek; //gives the string Monday
That way you don't have to worry about leap years, leap seconds, the number of days in a month and so on an so forth. It's easy to use, fool proof and the only way you can fuck it up is by not using it.Code:var inTwoYears = present.AddYears(2);
The date you're seeing in the task bar? That's Windows using the exact same methods to create a human-parsable string. But if you're using this human-parsable string and convert it back into a DateTime without checking for the culture, you shouldn't be let near a program of any sort.
Yes, I am aware of that, but it's still no excuse for using the (frankly batshit) American date format as default when a machine was supposed to have been localized for the UK, then making it non-obvious how to change it.
'checking for the culture' aye.Quote:
But if you're using this human-parsable string and convert it back into a DateTime without checking for the culture, you shouldn't be let near a program of any sort.
I'm not blaming Microsoft for Sage's screw up, I agree with you that Sage should be better programmed than that. It is a market leading software for its industry not some minor niche one, it is not one I expected to throw up a conflict.
But it is weird that Microsoft would alter my localisation settings from British to American - while still showing it as British in one window but needing to find another to see its now American. That is poorly implemented. Not the end of the world but it could have been much clearer that it had been done, nor should it be a change an upgrade should make. In the past I've always preferred formats and clean installs for OS upgrades for this reason though.
PS this was definitely fully localised to being British in the past with the £ symbol being the default Excel used based on that localisation.
Tell me Khen, which do you think is more likely:
a) That of all the 100s of programmers who have likely worked on the Sage software over the users, not a single solitary one of them had ever heard of their languages built in DateTime functions, nor when they came up against this seemingly insurmountable challenge of 'there are different ways you can write dates', they didn't, e.g. google it and find out about them in about 35 seconds leading us to the inevitable conclusion that the most popular and well regarded accountancy package in the world has been written and is continuing to be maintained by students straight off a Programming 101 course with no access to the internet or textbooks
b) there is actually a reason why they didn't or can't use them, or can't rely on them
which do you think it is.
Actually, it's a) Steely. You're misinformed if you think that your "100s of developers" all have a clue and, more importantly, they don't all look at the same parts of the code and are responsible for the same parts.
Which means that someone included a custom DateTime-library for others to use, everyone else thought this to be a good idea and actually used that and furthermore, there was no code review by a capable developer who would have spotted the WTF.
Playing around with the new multiple desktop mode, it works quite smoothly so far.
One thing that surprised me is that I was listening to music (via YouTube, via Chrome) when I opened and switched to the second desktop. The music continued uninterrupted the whole time without skipping a beat. So while its not clearly visible everything in the other desktop continues running uninterrupted (including sound).
Seems like a great mode for hiding that you're slacking at work. Load work in desktop one, load Facebook etc in desktop two.
What do you think how I post here. Linux (KDE, GNOME, CDE...) has multiple desktop for decades.
Can it be set up to work for multiple monitors? Eg rather than having monitor two be an extension of monitor one, you have two desktops each with their own monitor?
In KDE, no. But I can have different task-bars for each monitor so that's about the same effect isn't it?
If not there's always this :
http://www.actualtools.com/virtualde...monitors.shtml