Yeah, but why's he being all "you should touch the coronavirus then touch your eye", that's more than denial it's active sabotage.
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Yeah, but why's he being all "you should touch the coronavirus then touch your eye", that's more than denial it's active sabotage.
Its somewhere between the range of:
He is incapable of accepting responsibility for anything that could be negative and attached to him. And the only thing he knows is gaslighting.
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Using the resulting pandemic, projected to reach 10x that of our last/current flu season, to suspend elections and grab for power.
It'd take a constitutional amendment to do the latter though wouldn't it? AFAIK the elections can be postponed by weeks, but can't be cancelled.
As opposed to in this country where elections can be postponed in times of emergency (as was famously done during WWII and less famously in 2001)
I never thought of Trump as the sharpest knife in the kitchen, but lately it seems like he's not entirely there at all sometimes.
The definition and timeframe of postponed would require working checks and balances. Which we don't have right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
He's a germophobe trying to manage a pandemic that may kill 1/5 patients his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
You'd think that would make him inclined to take it seriously not treat it as a hoax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
CPAC had an infected man shaking hands with top GOP officials. Now some are quarantining voluntarily (including Ted Cruz). oops
Payroll tax cuts, the federal reserve lowering short-term interest rates, and even subsidies to the airline and cruise industries aren't going to address the "Viral Economics" of covid-19.
It's crazy that Trump hasn't been tested. :confused:
New genius move from the nation that popularized smallpox blankets:
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My employer just let me know that anyone who reasonably can should work from home for at least the next week.
I had to google the EOIR acronym. :(
"All of Italy now on lockdown". All public gatherings are banned by the Pope and the PM. Their healthcare system is crumbling? :eek:
And the Olympic torch passing ceremonies in Japan (and Greece) will be closed to the public. Arenas are hosting sports events without spectators. Understandable, from a public health perspective.
But in the US it doesn't really make sense, because we don't really value the lives of seniors...they're just a huge demographic that we tolerate, because it makes for lots of jobs in several sectors. When politicians talk about reducing "entitlements", the first people to complain aren't the elderly themselves, but their doctors, nurses, home-caretakers, plus anyone that mows their lawn or installs low-step showers. Geriatrics is a huge money-making industry. Keep people alive longer, make more money for yourself. Convince yourself that you're improving their quality of life, even tho they pray to die.
I read somewhere that covid-19 is the "Angel of Death" for the elderly. I can see why that might be a welcomed thing, especially for folks "warehoused" innursing homeslong-term facilities, worrying about their medical costs pushed onto their kids. Since we focus too much on longevity and not enough on quality of life, that's a real and valid concern.
My apologies for the tangent, no need to reply or rebut, I just wanted to get that off my chest. Thanks for listening, I guess. :noob:
Yes, the real scary thing is that it's breaking down in the part of the country that has a good system.
Italy really stuffed this up and its frustrating me people in this country running around like headless chickens suggesting we do the same things the Italians did like shutting down all schools. That's not a good idea at all at this stage.
America very possibly could be like Italy soon such is its lack of testing.
Every single major economy will have to start making the same decisions. For the NHS, the question is how badly they'll be fucked—completely or just almost completely. Social distancing is going to prove to be the single most important measure in response to the pandemic, and people are not going to stop going to major gatherings voluntarily so govt. will have to become more firm. The NHS's resources are public, and the govt has the mandate and the responsibility to protectively safeguard those resources.
Social distancing is important, but shutting schools without other measures isn't social distancing. In fact it can be very counter-productive if it means children (who will continue to mingle) end up being supervised more by their at-risk grandparents.
Editing posts has a downside :(
I forgot to mention that the elderly are mostly "valued" when they're taking care of their grandkids.
The US claims to have a "whole of government" approach, but states are using test kits from independent labs, and the CDC isn't the main clearing house for ALL the data. That's fucked up.
Interestingly there party politics seems to dominate while here party-politics has been set aside completely. Not having any national elections for the foreseeable future probably helps but there are the devolved administration elections due in May.
But currently all those in office, regardless of party, are singing from the same hymnsheet. The response is co-ordinated in the COBR (pronounced and often miswritten COBRA) meeting which includes not just the PM and medics etc but also the head of all the devolved administrations, including SNP's Nicola Sturgeon, Labour's Mark Drakeford and the DUP's Arlene Foster. After the COBR meeting on Monday they all came out giving the same message and saying we're doing the right things - no partisan snipings at all.
I've never seen Sturgeon and Johnson agree on anything ever. Wonder if that itself is a sign of the apocalypse.
Well, Johnson hasn't had to take any really dramatic decisions yet.
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*outrageous, exaggerated french accent*
NON, la cocaine ne protege pas contre le COVID-19
So you'd think, but then he's had to make the decisions that President Trump has categorically failed to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
I know in politics we tend to knock seven bells out of each other and our partisan opponents especially, but sometimes a crisis like this really highlights who is able to knuckle down for the best for their country regardless of party (eg Johnson, Sturgeon and Labour's Andy Burnham have impressed) and who is deep down just an opportunistic partisan little shit (eg McDonnell, Farage, Rory Stewart and Donald Trump).
Stewart's comments are reasonable, and the measures he's called for—either decisive moves to minimize community transmission, or a clear articulation of what would have to change to trigger such moves—are reasonable ones that are being seriously considered or recommended by both politicians and medical scientists/professionals elsewhere; your characterization of him as a partisan little shit is only a testament to your demented extremism whereby you reflexively try to punish anyone who questions the competence of Dear Leader—which is why you're heaping praise over those who've fallen in line. Classic authoritarianism.
Your reflexive delusions from reality when it comes to anything British lately are showing again.
Cross party cooperation and seeking scientific and medical expertise is about as far from authoritarianism as it gets. People like Nicola Sturgeon, Andy Burnham and Labour's Sadiq Khan etc following scientific advice haven't simply "fallen in line" with Johnson they're following the scientific advice. The Chief Science Officer and Chief Medical Officer explained in great detail why they believe that closing schools would be counterproductive at this time though they are monitoring the situation and may change that advice in the future led by science, perfectly reasonable. Having an unscientific grasping politician then try and make political credit by going against the scientific advice with a 'vote for me' electioneering slogan attached to his message is pathetic. His statement would be less obnoxious if he'd dropped the electioneering "Rory for London" electioneering stamp on it. His vote for me electioneering stamp is in larger font than his actual statement!
The PM's statements, Sturgeon's statements etc aren't stamped as being Tory or SNP etc, he has no reason to be electioneering on this and so is as I said a petty partisan shit.
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Tell you what, you give me links to sources that give a complete account of exactly what Whitty and Vallance have personally said - and when - and I'll help you understand why your extremist response to Stewart's statement - and your claim that he's going against the science - is misguided. I did not say that the other leaders were being authoritarian - I said that your response to Stewart's statement was authoritarian. That some social media manager put his message on a branded image is a silly but entirely trivial detail. The reality is that the UK has (several days ago) shifted into the phase where the top priority has to be to delay the spread of infection rather than to try and simply contain it - contrary to the govt's statement, which was a direct contradiction of a statement made by Whitty several days ago - and that means taking drastic measures to minimize people attending large gatherings.
Stewart's position is not in opposition to anything said in that video. More importantly, that briefing was held seven days ago, and, just two days later, this is what Whitty said before the Commons health committee:Quote:
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The measures Stewart calls for will be essential to this stage - as Whitty and others have already suggested - and a responsible and responsive govt. would start preparing the public now rather than later.Quote:
We have moved from a situation where we are mainly in contain, with some delay built in, to we are now mainly delay.
OK now its getting serious. :mad:
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Aimless that video is from 8 March it is this week's video not last week's video. The government is preparing the public and saying these measures will come when the scientists judge it prudent and appropriate, that's fine and reasonable. My objection is to Stewart saying "the scientists are wrong vote Rory for London".
Are we listening to the experts now? I can't keep up.
RB, did you object when Gove said "the experts are wrong, vote for Brexit?"
Your sports are nothing compared to the fact that E3 is going to be cancelled in a few hours :(Quote:
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Yes we are listening to experts now.Quote:
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I would object to that made up quote of yours if Gove had said it, he didn't its a myth.
Omfg no ffs that video was published on the 8th but the footage itself is from the 3rd as you can see from the video's description and as you can confirm by googling quotes. Two days later, he confirmed in the Commons that he believed you'd already transitioned to a phase where the priority should be on delaying measures. Stewart has not said "the scientists are wrong". If you must attack people like an angry authoritarian, at least try to get your facts straight first.Quote:
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Correct quote is "People in this country have had enough of experts,” not that anyone here would expect you to agree that the meaning is the same seeing how you have previously defended the false red bus slogan.Quote:
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https://theweek.com/speedreads/90140...ral-regulators
A Seattle lab uncovered Washington's coronavirus outbreak only after defying federal regulators
A lack of test kits for the new COVID-19 coronavirus is still obscuring the extent of the outbreak in the U.S., but for a critical period in February, there were no functional federal tests and "local officials across the country were left to work blindly as the crisis grew undetected and exponentially," The New York Times reports. The coronavirus has now infected more than 1,000 people in 36 states and Washington, D.C., according to Johns Hopkins University's count.
The first U.S. outbreak was in Washington state, where authorities confirmed the first patient — suffering from respiratory problems after visiting Wuhan, China — only after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention made an exception to strict testing criteria. In Seattle, Dr. Helen Chu, an infectious disease expert who was part of an ongoing flu-monitoring effort, the Seattle Flu Study, asked permission to test their trove of collected flu swabs for coronavirus.
State health officials joined Chu in asking the CDC and Food and Drug Administration to waive privacy rules and allow clinical tests in a research lab, citing the threat of significant loss of life. The CDC and FDA said no. "We felt like we were sitting, waiting for the pandemic to emerge," Chu told the Times. "We could help. We couldn't do anything."
They held off for a couple of weeks, but on Feb. 25, Chu and her colleagues "began performing coronavirus tests, without government approval," the Times reports. They found a positive case pretty quickly, and after discussing the ethics, they told state health officials, who confirmed the next day that a teenager who hadn't traveled abroad had COVID-19 — and the virus had likely been spreading undetected throughout the Seattle area for weeks. Later that day, the CDC and FDA told Chu and her colleagues to stop testing, then partially relented, and the lab found several more cases. On Monday night, they were ordered to stop testing again.
"In the days since the teenager's test, the Seattle region has spun into crisis, with dozens of people testing positive and at least 22 dying," the Times notes. "The scientists said they believe that they will find evidence that the virus was infecting people even earlier, and that they could have alerted authorities sooner if they had been allowed to test.
This is fucking criminal
Someone already linked to that in the thread, too, I thought. Though from a a different website.
If they did I didn't see it, especially didn't see anything about people having to break the law to figure out how bad its gotten. The article this one references was only written yesterday (same for the claim of the US now having 1000 cases).
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Insane
Why would you just admit something like that?