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No probably not. Though even if we did (which has happened before) it wouldn't be the same as what the passage says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
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How long before Mogg, Johnson, Davies and IDS claim something similar?
Riiiiiight. Jeeze, you don't know anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Farage is a **** and I'm glad he has nothing to do with our governance or the Leave campaign that took us out. Him being made unemployed is a nice bonus for leaving.
He has nothing to do with the Leave campaign? Which planet are you on because it sure as hell ain't Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
This one. Farage was excluded from Vote Leave (the official Leave campaign) as he is toxic. Were you not aware of that? Doesn't surprise me if you are ignorant enough to have missed that.
I think he means the Government backed Leave campaign i.e. Vote Leave.
Farage was Leave.EU, if I remember.
Not that I ever heard anyone from Vote Leave ever calling Farage and his bullshit out.
They called him out quite regularly, especially but not only after that vile, despicable breaking point poster he unleashed. They even threatened to go to court after ITV invited Farage onto a televised debate as they wanted him excluded from everything.
Have you any examples? I'm not suggesting you're wrong but I just don't remember any. My perception (rightly or wrongly) is that our Leaver-MPs a.) should have done a darn heck of a lot more to distance themselves from Leave.EU and Farage's bullshit, and b.) were just riding along on his coat tails, quietly happy that he was winning a large proportion of the vote for them. Despite his bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
I gave 2 examples already but will link to them.
Example 1: The vile Breaking Point poster: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36570759 (Article dated 19/6/16)
Example 2: Trying to exclude Farage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36273499 (Article dated 12/6/16)
Farage is and was toxic and mainstream MPs wanted nothing to do with him.
Less than 10 months to go.
I guess that's why they're trying to bypass democracy by shortening the entire debate on the Lords amendments to 12 hours.
It's a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
But it means next Wednesday will be monumentally interesting. I can't see the Government getting this through and it'll be the end of TM. She's toast.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
It's a shame they didn't do more.
What more? They avoided him, refused to share a platform with him, kept him away from the official campaign and publicly criticised him. What more do you realistically expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
But she won't be replaced by anyone much better and the UK won't have much time to pass an alternative bill. They have not been working on an alternative. The past few weeks have just seen increasingly deceptive and asinine announcements from the likes of Hannan and Rees-Mogg re. border, Switzerland, banana tariffs etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
Good riddance if she is. She's f***ed everything up royally.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
Why would they? While they pretend to distance themselves from him, they're perfectly happy to court his followers by offering a diet version of his policies. The Tories won on a platform that promised to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands while continuing an abominable "hostile environment" policy that has had a negative impact on the lives of thousands. They have no problems calling their fellow Brits traitors. They have no compunctions about lying. They dally with alt-right news sources like Breitbart and with goblins like Bannon. They push for the hardest of Brexits while ensuring their own lives and investments are sheltered from the consequences of such an outcome, like Farage. They are different from Farage in degree, not in kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogobongopop
Almost anyone would be better than this dithering buffoon. And that's not about her being a Remainer or a born again Leaver supposedly or whatever it's not a Remain or Leave thing. We are in the most transformative era in years and she's showing no leadership whatsoever creating the vacuum for asinine people like Rees-Mogg to fill the void with some ideas. What does she stand for, what ideas has she got?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
She is a useless pound shop Gordon Brown and she should just go.
The hostile environment was started under Labour and continued under May. Not that it makes it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
The rest of the paragraph seems like a completely unrecognisable caricature though. Who's calling people traitors etc?
Incidentally my personal choice on who should be PM is Sajid Javid
Absolutely nothing - because deep down I think they were all jolly trhilled to have him on their side. They wouldn't have won they vote without him so they owe him a debt of gratitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
So thrilled they ostracised him, criticised him, refused to share a platform with him and threatened legal action to keep him away? Yeah sure ...
Even David Cameron/George Osborne and Jeremy Corbyn/John McDonnell joined the same official Remain campaign, whereas Farage was kept out of the Leave campaign. You're being obtuse.
You forgot arrogant and ill-informed. It's all the craze nowadays. Facts and evidence don't matter; it's all about perception and prejudice. Welcome to 2018 UK :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Plus ca change.
With you? Certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
EU tells its trade partners that Brexit really does mean Brexit:
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Important but expected statement.
Brexit is the gift that keeps giving. And tomorrow you Brits are going to make it even a bigger fuck up by starting over with a new government again ?
So let me get this straight; the PM is offering BINO, with the majority of the core cabinet being against such an offer?
Freight Transport Association has lost its patience with Tory incompetence: https://fta.co.uk/media/press-releas...where-says-fta
Lobby group releases pressure briefing on what they're looking for in the coming negotiations a couple of weeks before the negotiations shocker.
People are lobbying for what they're looking for now with people acting increasingly hysterically just precisely like they did before the Phase 1 negotiations ended. Just as always happens with every such drama.
Those are the people directly impacted by your chaotic idiocy, you dimwit. They want some answers if they'll still be in business next March - I'm not sure how you don't get this: It's a bit of a problem for a logistics company if they don't know whether their trucks will even be able to be driven over the border by their drivers come March. The traffic jams at the border are actually a secondary issue in contrast to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
I'm pretty sure that it's impacting them already - no one wants to underwrite a contract where it's unclear whether the contract can even be fulfilled for reasons completely beyond your control.
The simple solution is to negotiate a Free Trade Agreement but your side has repeatedly put it off. Oh well.
This is a consequence of the British govt's incompetence which increases and prolongs uncertainty unnecessarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
This is nonsense. You cannot negotiate the FTA without settling the withdrawal issues first and the UK has known this for a long time. Given that the UK can't even handle one negotiation it's absurd to think it could handle two complex negotiations in parallel and arrive at workable solutions within the time frame set out by EU law.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
You know perfectly well the order in which things were to be agreed on. A trade agreement would come after the withdrawal agreements.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
This is a consequence of having deadlines. Lobby groups always cry havoc and push their own agenda before any decisions are made. The British government could be led with the wisdom of Solomon [it isn't] and it would still happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
It's a consequence of triggering Article 50 without any vision or agreement about what success looks like.
In this case they are justified. We know perfectly well what the various border schemes will result in. The logistics companies also know very well what those results will mean for their own business.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
The problem is that both the companies and your government (should!) know about those consequences - and the companies have asked what will be done to mitigate the more problematic results (example: Drivers licenses becoming invalid).
As of yet, they have no clear answer.
To put it into a perspective you can understand: This is like an announcement that all pubs, restaurants and other locales will face new regulations to be allowed to serve alcohol. If they don't uphold those regulations, no alcohol is allowed to be sold. What those new regulations actually are? Who the fuck knows.