We actually don't use an OS at all. The safety critical software runs bare metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
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We actually don't use an OS at all. The safety critical software runs bare metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
If people are disabling software updates because they're annoying, the solution is to stop them being so damn annoying, not prevent people turning off updates. I don't know what it's like in 10 or 8, but in 7 and below the update manager is seriously obnoxious. There is absolutely no need to pester the user to reboot as aggressively as it does, and they seriously need to look at how long it takes to install updates when you do reboot it, though I understand Window's shitty architecture may prevent too much being done about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
It goes without saying that third party software should not be able to disable updates or, indeed, change any other system settings.
I also believe that OEMs who feel the need to preload their computers with various "updaters", "launchers" and "managers" or any other software which duplicates entirely trivial functions of the OS such as downloading things or running programs in a desperate attempt to brandify ever aspect of the users experience need to be subject to prolonged and public punishment beatings and then made to think about what they've done, though I recognize that is probably a bit outside of even Microsoft's power
I really don't know why Microsoft doesn't manage to run updates while you are working and just boot in to the new version on the next restart. Every Linux I know can do that. Unless it's a distro upgrade I can always work during updates.
Upgrade kept failing but a tool linked from theverge.com finally sorted it out, took forever to upgrade but process better than even windows 8, but then I of course ran into problems with the geforce drivers, tried manual update which didn't work, couldn't remove and reinstall, repeated restarts didn't work and then suddenly it did. Now I've run into an irritating problem where the taskbar will no longer autohide after the start menu has been opened, only "good" workaround so far seems to be to restart the explorer process which sucks a little. Visually a little more appealing and I like the new take on the start menu more than 8.1's flawed attempt to fix it.
Strangely enough, that's just the way it works... updates get installed while you're working and are applied when you reboot with the option "Update and reboot". If you merely reboot, then you're forced to reboot after two days.Quote:
Originally Posted by earthJoker
I get the feeling that some of you don't really know what they're talking about.
Well, it is a little annoying that you have (at least in win7) 15 minutes to click postpone or it will reboot automatically, no matter what you have open.
Yes, and Win3.11 was even more annoying. I don't see what that has to do with Windows 10.
I've had the machine reboot itself in the middle of playing a game on 7, because the 'reboot now, bitch' box popped up in the background.
/looks at the topic title
Weird, I could have sworn that we were talking about two major versions above Windows 7.
I had this happen during the update to 8.1 with very unfortunate timing. Couldn't stop it by shutting down the service either. It's possible that Win 10 has magically become much more well-behaved but it should be obvious from context that EJ was referring to his windows experience as a whole which I expect has mostly been win OS:es before Win 10. From Khen's first snarky response it is absolutely clear that he, too, was including previous versions of Windows and has now sneakily decided to only talk about Windows 10 again. That's some Lewkowskian shit but I guess it's good for the drama-level of this thread :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Well, 7 is more recent and it's still Microsoft, wouldn't be that surprising if that hasn't changed. If they have improved that, that'd be nice. Have they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Rereading your post suggests it has, so that's nice.
And maybe it's you who keep dragging previous versions into this thread and making wild assumption on stuff that doesn't work like this in the newer versions for years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
I swear, sometimes this attitude reminds me of the Four Yorkshiremen.
WebWhatsapp doesn't work in Edge. I don't like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Try reading posts to discover this amazing thing called context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
The context is "Windows 10" not "totally irrelevant versions of OS" - I mean, seriously, you people gripe about some feature or other without bothering to check whether this very feature has been changed quite a bit in the years in between.
Shall I now trot out some of my experiences with Linux or MacOS from years ago which have similarly become irrelevant?
That's because they're idiots - if you're doing web applications, you're checking for capabilities not browsers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
No, the context was an exchange between Ominious and myself about the issue of third parties disabling little old ladies updates because they were annoying them, and I said the solution to that is to make them less annoying, not to remove the ability to disable updates. People then went on a slight tangent to rant about how annoying the updates were in Win 7 or below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
For your records, this is what normal humans sometimes do in normal human conversation.
So, more reading, less topic policing from you, please.
Sometimes you remind me of some guy who can't read :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Shouldn't you be hiding in some corner licking your wounds? You got pretty much burned by everyone in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
No it doesn't just "apply" the updates. Maybe for most it does that. But for many the "applying" part takes as long as the "installing" part on my Ubuntu. That just isn't how it supposed to be. And I speak about Windows 8 here, just before you got nuts again.
Booted in Windows 7 to test duel monitor setup, rebooted to get back to Ubuntu and am sat here watching it very slowly install 26 updates.
I suppose I deserve that.
OK something is really bugging me (as an irritant) and can anyone advise on how to fix it.
Windows 7 implemented one of the best updates in a long time with the 'dock' feature so you can drag a window to the left and it'll take up half the screen, drag another one to the right and it will take up the other half. Or press Windows+left or Windows+right on your keyboard.
One upgrade I was looking forward to in Win 10 is you can have corners and not just left and right. That seems to work as expected but for some odd reason whenever I dock something eg to the left it then puts everything else into some weird tiled mode on the right. Rather than leaving everything else as I had it. Then got to press escape or click to get rid of it. Any way to turn that off?
Its a preview, so you can easily click on which window you want to be docked on the other side of the screen. Since most people docked 2 windows if they are docking one, it makes the process more streamlined. It only happens when docking left and right and only when you already have multiple windows open.
OK that makes sense. It hasn't worked that way last few times I clicked on the windows and since I wasn't expecting it I was getting frustrated. Don't know if matters where you click, I just had it work as you described so came here and then saw your reply. :)
So, according to the Internet, by default Windows 10 harvests pretty much everything you do down to the keystroke and your mic usage, and anyone on Windows 10 should immediately go to Settings > Privacy and set everything to full scale, raving paranoia mode before your bank details are sold to Columbian drug lords or, worse, online ad networks.
But does it?
Near as I can tell, there are actually a few separate issues which are being presumed to tie together to turn Windows 10 into the biggest exercise in data-harvesting since ECHELON, but I have no idea what the software is *actually* doing with all this stuff.
1) By default, Windows 10 assigns every user a unique ID, which is then used to serve you targeted ads, because of course it does.
2) A bunch of your personal data (browser history, bookmarks, websites you have open, any saved passwords, and WiFi network names and passwords) is, again by default, when you sign in with a windows account synced to Microsoft servers, because of course it is.
3) This:
> To enable Cortana to provide personalized experiences
> and relevant suggestions, Microsoft collects and uses
> various types of data, such as your device location,
> data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from
> your emails and text messages, who you call, your
> contacts and how often you interact with them on your
> device.
> Cortana also learns about you by collecting data about
> how you use your device and other Microsoft services,
> such as your music, alarm settings, whether the lock
> screen is on, what you view and purchase, your browse
> and Bing search history, and more.
Cortana is of course probably no worse in this respect than Siri or Google voice search, but in light of 1) and 2) and the fact it's teh evil M$ this has freaked techno-cyber-libertarian types the fuck out.
4) This, in the the privacy policy:
"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services."
Ass-covering boilerplate or carte blanche to share all your details with anyone Microsoft feels like? You decide.
Personally, I think 1) is pretty despicable in and of itself, but the reading some of the more paranoid corners of the Internet is that Microsoft is using all the personal data it collects including everything Cortana collects (and, really, Cortana needs to collect this info in order to do its thing) and whatever it holds on the servers in order to show you targeted ads and of course to share with Big Brother whenever it gets the chance. This strikes me as more of a stretch.
I love how Cortana works on my phone, its learned my work schedule so it can warn me of traffic concerns going or coming, reads and replies to texts messages, keeps up on the calendar for facebook dates, and it knows what the fox says.
Same - phone Cortana is very helpful.
I just finished my work I needed to do after coming home for the day and went to Windows Update on my PC after it and "Upgrade to Windows 10" was ticked by default while all security updates for Windows 7 were unticked. So if I just clicked to install updates without reading it the upgrade to Win 7 would I guess have happened automatically.
Which makes me wonder if those who are set to have Windows 7 updates install automatically would instead be automatically upgrading to 10 now rather than updating seven?
Doesn't happen like that at all on my Windows 7 machine. If I manually tell it to check for updates (they've been set to auto update since day 1) I get the Windows 10 logo and a bolded message asking if I want to upgrade. No checklist shown. If I decline that to view the standard list of updates Windows 10 is not listed at all.
My mum's computer has a Windows 10 logo in the task bar, then you click on it and then there's a 'reserve your free upgrade' button. No option to till it to 'get tae fuck', but it's not trying to force the issue either.
My own copy of Windows 7 is not activated, so presumably I don't get to be upgraded.
Got my first system crash last night, on my now-Windows 10 Laptop. Went to make a coffee and a sandwich but when I came back the entire screen was black except for the white mouse outline. The mouse would move around but the screen was just black.
Didn't respond to anything (except for the moving mouse), so eventually tried pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del and the screen went grey (again except for the movable white mouse). Again it wouldn't respond to anything. Eventually I had to force a power reset.